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Posted: August 12, 2015, 3:35 AM
Hi guys I haven't been on here for a while. ..tomorrow I stop taking tablets...I've nearly run out. I didn't really taper although I haven't been taking 20 probably about 8 .
I stop tomorrow morning and am really nervous. ...wish me luck!! Apologies ahead as I will probably be posting every 5 mins xx | ||
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Posted: August 12, 2015, 4:18 PM
best of luck - YOU CAN DO THIS - STAY STRONG-
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Posted: August 13, 2015, 9:24 AM
You are probably well into it by now. Don't give up
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Posted: August 14, 2015, 10:04 AM
Hope your doing great!!!
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Posted: August 14, 2015, 1:59 PM
HUGS
YOU CAN DO THIS, ID GET SOME IMMODIUM FOR THE s***S, MAYBE A BENZO TO HELP WITH SLEEP,NEURONTIN IS GREAT ALSO MARIA | ||
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Posted: August 16, 2015, 4:09 PM
4 days and no codeine yay!!I've been using Lopermide (low dose) and it's helped
ALOT but I stop that 2moro. The fog is clearing.sleep has been *hit but getting better. . I'm now just going to use ibuprofen or paracetamol for the next day or so. The real me is coming back ...wish me luck xx hope everyone is well | ||
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Posted: August 17, 2015, 4:49 PM
Good Luck!!!!
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Posted: August 18, 2015, 4:20 AM
On day 6 now. ..energy back but anxiety is quite high and sleep is terrible. RLS is back in my arms too ...
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Posted: August 18, 2015, 10:18 PM
Magnesium is good for the muscle stuff. You're doing awesome
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Posted: August 20, 2015, 7:27 AM
I relapsed :( :( :( the anxiety was horrendous I felt suicidal. But I did realise how much I love my bf and how much s*it he's put up with. Basically I'm on 5 a day and the anxiety has subsided and im now going to taper off slowly . I WILL come off but the drop from 20 tabs to nothing can be dangerous for some I think the taper now will work as I'm giving the tabs to my dad and bf. Also I have pleasently found out the magnesium is really helping with my period pain and I came on with hardly any pain :) so this is another worry off my mind. I know I sound weak and I don't know why my anxiety started on day 7 how odd.
I was sooooo ready for everything but not the suicidal thoughts.I feel like I've woken up from a big sleep. I DON'T want to go back to what I was on so I will start tapering Monday I'll try and do it every 4 days | ||
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Posted: August 20, 2015, 8:43 AM
If you can taper and walk away from this then go for it.
If you are like me (and millions of others) then the substance is not the problem. I have the disease of addiction/alcoholism and I am powerless over it ....... The 12 Steps of AA/NA have enabled me to live clean/sober and begin to work on my mental/emotional/spiritual defects & shortcomings as they become apparent . I wish you the best. Bob -------------------- Serenity Prayer God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things I can, And the wisdom to know the difference. Free copy of AA's Big Book on-line: http://www.aa.org/pages/en_US/alcoh...olics-anonymous Free copy of NA's Big Book on-line: Copy & Paste coastalcarolinaarea.org/literature/books/b_t.pdf AA's HOW IT WORKS: Copy & paste www.aa.org/assets/en_US/p-10_howitworks.pdf NA's HOW IT WORKS: http://www.na.org/admin/include/spa...0it%20Works.pdf ---------------------------------------------------------------- --- driven by a hundred forms of fear, self-delusion, self-seeking, and self-pity. ---there are those too who suffer from grave emotional and mental disorders but many of them do recover if they have the capacity to be honest. ... I need AA more than it needs me. --- I fight recovery tooth and nail.... I'm not used to being sane, it just doesn't seem natural. ...... According to the great spiritual teachers, ignorance does not result from what we don’t know; ignorance results from what we think we do know. ---Some think that 2+2=5 and believe it. Some know that 2+2=4 and can't stand it. --- I didn't have a very happy childhood but I sure am having a long one ! ---Dry since 1989 working daily on getting/staying SOBER. ---If you want to drink, that's your business ...If you want to quit, that's AA's business. ... Tell me, I'll forget; ... Show me, I'll remember; ... Engage me, I'll understand. ---Most problems are psychological. Most solutions are spiritual . "If we try to change our ego with the help of our ego, we only have a better-disguised ego." --Richard Rohr WWBWD (What Would Bill W. Do) | ||
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Posted: August 20, 2015, 3:43 PM
I would consult a physician and formulate a plan under his/her care. Acute suicidal thoughts even in withdrawal is a red flag. Way out of the AA pay grade. Best of luck.
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Posted: August 20, 2015, 4:48 PM
I was having panic attacks every 30 mins it was terrible.I'm going to have to do this slowly with little steps.I have had extreme negative reaction to weed before it felt like that it was scary
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Posted: August 20, 2015, 5:03 PM
A lot of the AA/NA folks I know had suicidal thoughts and many had attempted (me included).
I was blessed in the beginning as our local NA Group had a doctor (member) in the group. He said "Keep coming to the meetings, if you need a psychiatrist I'll get you one" Never needed a Psychiatrist nor meds .... Go to any AA or NA meeting and ask "How many of you folks had panic attacks ??" Watch all the hands go up. All the best. Bob R This post has been edited by Papa Bear on August 20, 2015, 5:05 PM -------------------- Serenity Prayer God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things I can, And the wisdom to know the difference. Free copy of AA's Big Book on-line: http://www.aa.org/pages/en_US/alcoh...olics-anonymous Free copy of NA's Big Book on-line: Copy & Paste coastalcarolinaarea.org/literature/books/b_t.pdf AA's HOW IT WORKS: Copy & paste www.aa.org/assets/en_US/p-10_howitworks.pdf NA's HOW IT WORKS: http://www.na.org/admin/include/spa...0it%20Works.pdf ---------------------------------------------------------------- --- driven by a hundred forms of fear, self-delusion, self-seeking, and self-pity. ---there are those too who suffer from grave emotional and mental disorders but many of them do recover if they have the capacity to be honest. ... I need AA more than it needs me. --- I fight recovery tooth and nail.... I'm not used to being sane, it just doesn't seem natural. ...... According to the great spiritual teachers, ignorance does not result from what we don’t know; ignorance results from what we think we do know. ---Some think that 2+2=5 and believe it. Some know that 2+2=4 and can't stand it. --- I didn't have a very happy childhood but I sure am having a long one ! ---Dry since 1989 working daily on getting/staying SOBER. ---If you want to drink, that's your business ...If you want to quit, that's AA's business. ... Tell me, I'll forget; ... Show me, I'll remember; ... Engage me, I'll understand. ---Most problems are psychological. Most solutions are spiritual . "If we try to change our ego with the help of our ego, we only have a better-disguised ego." --Richard Rohr WWBWD (What Would Bill W. Do) | ||
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Posted: August 21, 2015, 8:24 AM
So forget the doctor and…..hope there is one in AA? Because many in AA have had panic attacks? Ok, that could be one solution. My solution is less of a gamble though. Actually call a doctor. The probabilities of speaking to a doctor go up exponentially. As effective as AA was/is for you and millions of people, it was utterly worthless and counterproductive for me and millions of other people.
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Posted: August 21, 2015, 8:34 AM
" it was utterly worthless and counterproductive for me and millions of other people."
i gathered that from your post about what The 12 Steps can & cannot do.... I was at a meeting last night where more than half the folks at the table had attempted suicide There is a fundamental difference between a hard/problem drinker and an alcoholic. We have to come to realize which we are because the treatment for one will not work for the other. All the best. Bob R -------------------- Serenity Prayer God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things I can, And the wisdom to know the difference. Free copy of AA's Big Book on-line: http://www.aa.org/pages/en_US/alcoh...olics-anonymous Free copy of NA's Big Book on-line: Copy & Paste coastalcarolinaarea.org/literature/books/b_t.pdf AA's HOW IT WORKS: Copy & paste www.aa.org/assets/en_US/p-10_howitworks.pdf NA's HOW IT WORKS: http://www.na.org/admin/include/spa...0it%20Works.pdf ---------------------------------------------------------------- --- driven by a hundred forms of fear, self-delusion, self-seeking, and self-pity. ---there are those too who suffer from grave emotional and mental disorders but many of them do recover if they have the capacity to be honest. ... I need AA more than it needs me. --- I fight recovery tooth and nail.... I'm not used to being sane, it just doesn't seem natural. ...... According to the great spiritual teachers, ignorance does not result from what we don’t know; ignorance results from what we think we do know. ---Some think that 2+2=5 and believe it. Some know that 2+2=4 and can't stand it. --- I didn't have a very happy childhood but I sure am having a long one ! ---Dry since 1989 working daily on getting/staying SOBER. ---If you want to drink, that's your business ...If you want to quit, that's AA's business. ... Tell me, I'll forget; ... Show me, I'll remember; ... Engage me, I'll understand. ---Most problems are psychological. Most solutions are spiritual . "If we try to change our ego with the help of our ego, we only have a better-disguised ego." --Richard Rohr WWBWD (What Would Bill W. Do) | ||
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Posted: August 21, 2015, 8:40 AM
I don't mean to sound facetious about AA. I know it works for many and it would be irresponsible of me to discard it. It simply didn't and wouldn't work for me. I'm genuinely happy it works for you. We're all in the same fight and like boxers have different courses of actions for victory. Some like defence, some like offence, some are swarmers and some are counterpunchers. Let's just agree that your way isn't the only way. It's difficult for you to comprehend that I kicked this addiction in the arse many years ago(I don't collect chips so have no idea how many years it is) and live a delightful, joyous life now. It's equally difficult for me to understand how you did it with AA. Simple, different strokes for different folks.
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Posted: August 21, 2015, 8:49 AM
Bob, I'm coming across like an A-hole and I apologize for that. I'll admit, I'm using a very wide brush and that's probably not fair or responsible. I'm basing my opinion strictly on my experience which is AA in Toronto. Whatever it takes to get clean and stay clean for an individual, I'm a fan of. Honestly, I mean that.
I completely accept that AA works for many. I contend though, when it comes to suicide, doctor first, AA second or both simultaneously but a doctor HAS to be in the mix. Have a blessed day and apologize for being a thorn in your morning zen. -------------------- "You miss 100% of the shots you never take." #99 | ||
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Posted: August 21, 2015, 12:14 PM
No problem.
-------------------- Serenity Prayer God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things I can, And the wisdom to know the difference. Free copy of AA's Big Book on-line: http://www.aa.org/pages/en_US/alcoh...olics-anonymous Free copy of NA's Big Book on-line: Copy & Paste coastalcarolinaarea.org/literature/books/b_t.pdf AA's HOW IT WORKS: Copy & paste www.aa.org/assets/en_US/p-10_howitworks.pdf NA's HOW IT WORKS: http://www.na.org/admin/include/spa...0it%20Works.pdf ---------------------------------------------------------------- --- driven by a hundred forms of fear, self-delusion, self-seeking, and self-pity. ---there are those too who suffer from grave emotional and mental disorders but many of them do recover if they have the capacity to be honest. ... I need AA more than it needs me. --- I fight recovery tooth and nail.... I'm not used to being sane, it just doesn't seem natural. ...... According to the great spiritual teachers, ignorance does not result from what we don’t know; ignorance results from what we think we do know. ---Some think that 2+2=5 and believe it. Some know that 2+2=4 and can't stand it. --- I didn't have a very happy childhood but I sure am having a long one ! ---Dry since 1989 working daily on getting/staying SOBER. ---If you want to drink, that's your business ...If you want to quit, that's AA's business. ... Tell me, I'll forget; ... Show me, I'll remember; ... Engage me, I'll understand. ---Most problems are psychological. Most solutions are spiritual . "If we try to change our ego with the help of our ego, we only have a better-disguised ego." --Richard Rohr WWBWD (What Would Bill W. Do) | ||
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Posted: August 22, 2015, 5:19 PM
Thanks...AA isn't an option I have..I am in England and these sort of groups are few especially where I live.I am on antidepressants already 150 mg effexor they probably need time to adjust as the codeine is drowning them out.
RLS has been particularly bad it's not just my legs it's my whole body I've been taking magnesium calcium and potassium every day it's not helping ...neither are valerian root.it'd horrible. I remember when I got off them last time I started taking citalopram and propanolol I had no withdrawal nothing. | ||
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