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Posted by: kaileigh February 7, 2009, 1:35 PM
i have been clean of the smack and crack since the 2/1/08 but i have been on methadone since i was on 50mls and im on a detox programme im now on 10mls and im having craving now more than ever its f***ing me of.
what do you suggest i do im not giving in !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Browndog113 February 7, 2009, 7:33 PM
That last ten is a b****----I would suggest getting some clonidine from a Dr. Most any Dr. will write it.

It is a blood preassure medicine which is used to treat withdrawels. It does this by fooling the brain and filling up the opiate receptors.

It is not something you can go to work or drive on-----but it sure gives relief. You take them as prescribed and just kind of relax a few days (two weeks if u can go that long without working).

After that u'll be mostly ok------except for the apathy u will feel for a while but that5s a new story.

The good new is it will pass and be nothing but an unpleasant memory

Posted by: jackofhartzz February 8, 2009, 7:43 AM
If you got yourself down to 10 mgs - your almost there. -but-like you,ve read the last 10 is tough , more phycologicaly than physically.

Time to get help- find a Addiction specialist- There are doctors whose main practice is helping addicts. In the ols days, there was only methadone. Now you can find help in a lot of other avenues
Yes- clonidine helps- its a blood pressure med
The success of subs have helped many, and it sounds like your almost where you need to be to start that therapy if you want to.

You also can walk off the final 10- but I wouldn't recomend that unless you are going in patient or have a ton of support, and support groups around you

best to you
keep in touch

jack

Posted by: kymbo February 9, 2009, 9:56 AM
Hey, you've done real good getting this far! I also reduced of methadone and I totally agree that the worst bit is the last, cravings are strong but battle on, you've made it this far, you can do the rest!

Keep yourself busy, have warm baths if your getting aching legs and sweats and before you know it, you'll be waking up and not having to rely on anything to make it through the day.

Posted by: viv February 11, 2009, 10:58 PM
have you considered switching to subutex/suboxone and weening off that instead? your methadone dose is low enough to switch over pretty painlessly. buprenorphine is MUCH MUCH easier to get off than methadone!

Posted by: misswildcat February 12, 2009, 4:11 PM
i am also on methadone. 50mg & tapering off 5mg a month. i have been on it a little over 7 years for an addiction to opiates, not heroin. i know that doesn't really matter. i'm starting to get really scared after reading some of your post. i wasen't aware that the last 10mg were the worst. i figured that with that little in your system that it would be fairly easy... guess not, huh? i have also been considering switching to suboxone to taper off. does anybody have any experience with doing that? if so, how'd it go for you?
thanks, jessica

Posted by: sallyja February 15, 2009, 3:22 AM
yeah im down to 5mls...the hardest thing ive ever done but getting there..couldn't do it without the help of acupuncture, valium and zopliclone..
but noone give up if we've got this far the worst is over...take care

Posted by: sallyja February 15, 2009, 3:25 AM
jessica
dont get subutex..i found them weird..also there are other things to help with the pain and yeah the last 10mls is the worst i had to slow down wen i got to that...if u need to chat just mail me
sally

Posted by: mandy April 3, 2009, 6:32 PM
my boyfriend tried sebutex and it was terrible because they have to start you off on a very low dose and build it up till you feel ok and it was one of the worst times ever he couldnt handle the wait and ended up useing again that was ages ago and he was down to 10mls last week. He has decided to do it alone now (cold turkey) with the help of oxicontin tablets he likes those lol and some sleeping pills so far so good
good luck i know how very hard it is we have been through it all hell and back but dont give up it will be worth it in the end xx

Posted by: Senorrebo May 17, 2009, 10:24 PM
for me, 20 down was horrible. I went to the hospital twice, once of which I think was justified. I literally felt like I was losing my mind. The first two weeks after zero were the worst, but I also had lots & lots of prescribed meds to 'level me out'. I couldn't sleep for more than 90 minutes at a time. Right in the middle was 9-11-01. Awful awful times, but I'm so thankful that I was given the strength to get through it.

Posted by: constantine May 18, 2009, 11:18 AM
Hi Kaliegh; thats fantastic ! 5 mgs ?...I cant even imagine !! Ive been on methadone a year now; and im sitting at a 80.5mg...what Ive heard about coming off is that you must do the last 5-10mgs really really slowly...as small as possible...slow slow slow.... keep us posted here; were routing for you !

I know thats my next hurdle in this game...not sure when...but I know its coming...and I think being able to wake up and not have to take a drug will be soooo wonderful !!...hugs !

Constantine

Posted by: mike fv May 21, 2009, 1:01 AM
Arrrgh! I'm going to 12 tomorrow.Know exactly how you feel. Quit once before a long time ago but don't remember how bad it can get. I do now. Had to stay at 16 for a month before I could continue going down. Doing it 1ml a week which is tolerable. Not looking forward to the last 5. Oh well, I've done it once before and I'll do it again. Hang in there. Mike.

Posted by: sweetasaplepie April 25, 2010, 8:38 AM
hello there i have been on methadone for 18 years and I was 100 and now ive decided to go cold turkey off 10 mg and its day 5 so far so good not that it didnt take me 2years to wean down to that amount and spunout on the way i just hope i can beat this life long pain in the a** i just want some sleep and energy the sort i used to have ,, without the juice it must be possible is it ?

Posted by: jackofhartzz April 25, 2010, 9:23 AM
sweetasaplepie

18 yrs Huh?- Why did you decide to come off at this point in your life- - if ya dont mind me askin?-
Were you at a clinic? Was this a pain med- or for addiction to opiates? I ask because I have been on for about 20 yrs straight. The first few yrs I stayed low enough so I could still use dope and feel it.-
After awhile it became mdone and xanax- - Now for about 17 yrs its just been 100mgs of mdone a day. No more using on top.or pills . Hell, if I have 6 beers a yr -its a lot.
I havent thought about coming off in a long time. Life is good. All that I fu**ed up and lost has returned. Self-esteem, confidence, my family,and friends, my career, ...etc..you get the idea.

You have been detoxing for 2 yrs so, you,re going about it correctly. Are you seeing a therapist with this detox yet? Using a group?-
Sorry for all the questions but I dont know too many people to get off after 20 years ,as thier own plan.-and to just detox off a program is rare, people usually go inpatient
I know people who after a long time ,were thrown off, went to jail, couldnt afford it anymore, the drive was too far- ... or switched to the new medication that is used these days. Lots of wacky reasons- -

I found out that for myself- just not wanting to be on it anymore, wasnt good enough . My system has stopped producing endorphins long ago, and as long as this medicine doesnt effect my lifestyle I dont have a problem with using medicine to keep my disease under control.

Good for you though!! I wish you the best and a realitivley smooth transition
jack

Posted by: sadie October 31, 2010, 5:54 PM
I have been on methadone maintenence 26 years. (I am now in my 50's) have raised 5 amazing children (three college grads) 1 professional dancer and 1 still in college with a music major and a minor in business. I have worked all my life in the business world - the last 15 yrs I have worked in civil service - own our own home, pay our bills and live like everyone else...in debt...the American way! jk.
The reason I mention the job and children and all is because for many years I felf methadone was fine...kept me "sober" well atleast kept me away from the people and the life and the street drugs for more than 20 years of methadone maintenance so I could concentrate on a life with my children and my family, I go once a month to the program and keep it a very small part of my life (beside the fact I must drink it everyday). Because I believe the lifestyle and the people we choose to run with become just as addicting as the drugs we chase! So, as I was saying, I am writing this to ask anyone whom may know the answer, I would like to get off methadone - but everyone tells me at my age I would die or lose absolute control of my mind!
Now I know the latter is a bit dramatic but I do remember that in my fourth year of methadone maintenance I went to a in patient program to get off - I got out and within a month went right back on....I was so depressed I could barely function, after treatment and back on the job I could not think clearly or eat or sleep. I can't go through that again - at my age I am afraid of what would happen. I feel as though all the old wives tales about methadone addiction have come true...1. It gets in the bones...I feel like I am a cripple in the morning when I get up - every bone and muscle are so stiff it takes two hours to move around normally 2. It makes you apathetic...(somewhat true) 3. Causes brain damage -caused by overstimulation of the dopamine receptors - endorphines. This is my biggest concern - since I feel I am getting very slow when it comes to learning new things and or retaining what I learn. What can you tell me regarding dopamine receptors and the damage long term opiade
addiction may cause.
Thank you
Peace

Posted by: Kitteekatt November 1, 2010, 12:12 AM
Hey there my name's Kitty good to meet you. I can only tell you what i know to be true for me. I'm on 125ml of methadone a day. I was also addicted to zopiclone (zimovane) and Valium and still trying to cram smack in to my body. I too have a home,mortgage,full time job,partner (who is not or has ever been a user) and a wonderful little girl who is 9yrs old. With the exception of a few months during my pregnancy i havent been clean in years. (ct in hospital why should i give my child this disease) I have used Methadone for many,many years tried subutex once HATED it. When i found this site i had just told my family i was an addict, i was so ashamed i pretty much stopped dead no smack, no methadone, no zopiclone, no valium. As i said i was on 125ml meth, smack, maybe 30-50 valium and around 10-15 zopiclone i thought i was going to die even had a couple of nasty siezures my mum called out a doctor who told me i was out of my mind (no sh!+) and put me straight back on methadone tried to put me back on valium and zopiclone to but i came this far. I fell off the wagon a few times but i didnt give up. I honestly think i'll be on methadone forever and i'm ok with it, i might change my mind somewhere down the road but it saved me. those last 10mls are awful from what i remember but i was in hospital pregnant so they tried to make me as comfy as possible subutex works wonders for some people if you havent tried it maybe you should stay away from zopiclone, they use valium to wean you off it what does that tell ya! About Methadone going "bone deep" its a myth ask your doc or methadone alliance. The dopmine receptors in your brain age with the rest of you, Anti-depressant meds mess with them more than any opioid synthetic or otherwise, also people with untreated or undiagnosed depression may have problems there too. Methadone gets such a bad press myth and missinformation dont help people on it are already so stigmatised and its unfair. When used properly it is an excellent medication, well used over many years with countless scientific studies carried out over long periods.How many of todays "wonder drugs" can say that. good luck stay strong i'm rooting for you, youve come so far, you DESERVE this much love kitty xx

Posted by: Jazwan November 3, 2010, 5:22 AM
Sorry long post thought it might help.

Lots of good stuff on here.

On the methadone my man was on it for 20yrs and 10 of that he was on IV amps because that was the only thing that could keep him off heroin and that didn't totally do the trick. But for him it worked he was a bad bad addict.

We went to see a methadone doctor specialist and he said all that stuff about it getting into your bones and rotting the brain was true a long time ago but not now and hasn't been true for 10yrs or so. He would prefer his patients to be on methadone for life he has some who take it in a tablet form ( we didn't even know that existed) equivalent to 150ml every day - than come off it and start using again.

My man had to come down from his amps and start taking the juice with it because they said no one had ever withdrawn from IV meth - ever. At 50mls juice and 30 amps he did a medical detox and managed to get off the methadone.

Then his problems started being physically clean is only the beginning methadone had been his crutch, an emotional dummy and he says if he'd have known then what he knows now he would have reduced down but stayed on it.

After four weeks clean he went into crazy street which after a really short time 9 days or so went to a bag a day then 2bags this is someone who had it controlled for years. His salvation has been a doctor who wouldn't give up on him and the detox unit who dragged him back. This is why everyone needs support.

He went on Subs and yes they made him feel awful and funny and messed around with his system - which is why many stop taking them. But they aren't a miracle pill you have to work with them. Put up with them making you feel s*** some days and being okay the next and then many cheat on them and he did as well jumping on and off them because there are ways around everything. And so we played that game for a while and then just like Jack said One day he started taking the stuff just like he should and it fell into place.

Whatever you guys do it is hard but please remember that the getting totally clean is only the beginning of it then you need all sorts of tools to keep you there. Please don't do the route my man has been down getting off everything and then going back to worse than where he was before. It's the head stuff that you have to treat - he's just got a therapist long long waiting list here. And he will aim to come off the subs at some point because they deffo aren't for long term use and do more damage than the meth but it won't be quick - the drug doctor says they have success with people who stay on them 12 months to 2 years those people don't go back.

Good luck to all

Posted by: jedi magpie November 3, 2010, 7:30 PM
Sadie your response has prompted me to start a dialogue because there are so many similarities. I am 50 and have been on methadone for 15 years continuously. My life is leaps and bounds better these past 15 years with no self-imposed n the quality of life back that I lost after 20 years of narcotic addiction. The only time that I was close to a detox is when I started training to do a charity bike ride and was able to go down till 10mg with really not to much trouble but then the lethargy and depression hit. To make a long story short I was only off completely 1 week and used and got back on. Now the reason I was even looking at these boards is that my insurance does not cover the 400 a month fee and I can't see me footing the bill in my 60's. I also have concerns because 50 mg held me comfortably 8 years ago but as menopause has started I can feel my medication running out when my work keeps me on my feet longer than 10 hours. I have gone up to 90mg and that in itself makes me uneasy. I have had clean urines for over 10 years and feel like if I ever am going to do it now would be the time,

Posted by: jackofhartzz November 3, 2010, 7:52 PM
jedi
I have been on mdone for over 20 yrs now- - I work with an advocacy group in NY
Don't go away, I dont have the time now- - but I read an article on the direction this treatment is going, as many of the patients now are in thier 50- to 60,s- including me-

Ill look for the article ,and post back - - These links below are interesting ,but not what I was looking for

These 2 are good to show to people who don't know much about MMT as it's very accurate, easy to understand information . (there is also a part 2)-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfaFGKFOlYo&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg285XTHPMc&feature=player_embedded

These are short -only about 8 or 9 minutes each. For those of us using this type of therapy -let me know what ya think-

best,
jack

Posted by: Habeeba December 14, 2010, 8:08 PM
Hi yall after reading alot of the posts here I had to add my story, I have been on methadone maintenance for going on 16 years now, at first upon getting on the program I had been addicted to herion for 2 years and didnt know anything about methadone cause if I had of I would have gotten off long before now, as a person who does not do sickness well at all each time it came to me wanting to get off methadone I would detox down only to find myself increasing my dose because of withdrawal symptoms starting, I also roller coasted up and down from 95mgs down to 15mgs for over a 2 year period still I wouldnt get completely off because I was truly scared of withdrawal. I dont know if the bone thing is a myth or not but I do know that each morning my entire body aches especially my back n hips, I can admit that I am out of shape and dont take vitamins like I should I am also 50 years old with high cholesterol, thank GOD thats my only health problem. I also find that although I am on 80mgs I dont sleep at night and I find that on occasion I have stomach problems where as the methadone doesnt help it, I get 27 take home bottles and only have to go to the clinic once a month which is a good thing cause I am a nurse and work nearly 80 hours a week, I would love to eventually get off of methadone but im afraid of dying and afraid of kicking, I have never tried any of the suggestive meds although I've dabbled with xanax n elavils n the past, what can I do yall any suggestions r helpful, if I have to stay on it forever I will but prefer not to, thanks for lettin me vent yall.

Posted by: Habeeba December 14, 2010, 8:37 PM
Hey yall its me again here I just wanted to add that being on methadone maintenance is not a bad thing in fact I think its a good thing especially for those of us who have the disease of addiction which the average person dont understand is a real sickness just like diabetes or cancer, being on methadone maintenance allows us to work at a prestigious job, raise children properly as well as attend any n all functions at school for them,manage money n pay bills on time, just like any medication for any sickness methadone takes care of the addiction and it does not get you high, I have been on it for 16 years n counting and it has never gotten me high or altered my mood in any way, I am a nurse who works side by side with people who may or may not have ever used anything and look just as if not better than them, no way has anyone I work with or around ever questioned me about my disposition or appearance or work ethic, so just as the bone theory is a myth so is the fact that methadone is another drug to get high on, I also dont go to narcotics anonymous meetings because they down methadone and lead people to believe that its another drug and u are not considered clean on it, which I beg to differ because its a medication just like insulin. I've done my research on methadone years ago and have come to the conclusion that it works if you use it for what its meant for, It saved my life cause at first I was under the impression that only Intravenous users could get on the program until one day a dear friend of mine was headed there for her 'drink' and I knew for a fact she was not a IV user, along the way she informed me that snorters of herion were eligible for the program as well, I signed up that morning, it was the best thing I could have done,mainly cause rehabs werent working I would go into rehab when things got heavy only to count the days to get out to use again, crazy right yall but the disease of addiction is crazy, our own family members have no idea what we go through but always ready to down us n point the finger n suggest where n what we should do instead of getting us the help we need, thats in most cases not all, I will forever be grateful to my family who had my back through the good the bad and most of all yall the ugly, good luck with your recovery and just know that a whole day is waaay to much to worry about, deal with your recovery a MOMENT at a time its much easier and more simpler, thanks 4 letting me vent some more lol

Posted by: MonicaRae April 1, 2011, 8:44 AM
Senorrebo or anyone else
I have a question..i've been going down 2mgs a week and I'm at 66mgs now...you had said 20mg down was bad and u went to the hospital twice..once was justified. I'm just kinda curious like you went cuz of the withdrawal right? Did the hospital do anything?

Back in 2005 i was on methadone 40mgs but I was into crack like there was nothing else in the world it got so bad my mom had me sectioned, where they locked me up for 30 days for my own well being so I had to kick the 40 and I only got medication - librium and darvon for 4 days and then that was it and i' will say I don't think i really started the withdrawal until like 3 days after my last dose but i didn't sleep for 12 days straight, my leg cramps were horrible. It got better after that but the sleeping didnt even with medication i couldn't sleep at all.

So my "plan" is to get down to 30 or 20 and then go inpatient, it'll suck to have to deal with groups and s*** especially since i've been clean for years but i have support from my mom and stuff and she said she'll help with my son. Either that or there's suboxone which i've been on before but never weened off of but i live in a real bad drug area of mass and the doctors that do prescribe it are all full. Or I can just keep going down 2mg a week until we hit 0...........whattya guys think?????? Please help me out, i really want your opinions

Posted by: jackofhartzz April 1, 2011, 2:20 PM
Many of you guys know that Im an advocate for the use of mdone for long time heroin addiction

There is a common misconception that methadone treatment is supposed to be a quick detox aid for those addicted to heroin or other opiates--something to help them quickly become "drug free". This is NOT the case at all. The purpose of MMT is to enable the patient to become free of drug ABUSE and to have a functional, productive life while controlling the symptoms of their illness.

Long term abuse of opiate drugs shuts down the brain's ability to produce endorphins--our "natural" opiates. One the patient becomes abstinent from opiates, it can be some time before the brain recognizes this fact and begins producing endorphins again. During this time period the patient may suffer severe depression, anhedonia (inability to feel pleasure), exhaustion, anxiety and extreme irritability.

For some, this will gradually begin to lift as the brain resumes production of endorphins. However, for many others, the damage done to the brain chemistry may be permanent. It may never resume producing endorphins normally, no matter how many meetings they attend, steps they work, or counseling sessions they have. These folks may require long term---even life long--supplementation with an outside source of endorphins/opiates, and methadone is particularly well suited to this task, as it does not produce a high in stable patients and remains at a steady level in the blood for a full 24 hours without the highs and lows of short acting opiates.
Many doctors and scientists believe that some opiate addicted patients may have had low endorphin production even BEFORE they began abusing opiates, and that this may have made them especially vulnerable to the effects of opiate drugs. Whereas most people taking opiates simply feel somewhat sedated and perhaps a little nauseated, these folks usually felt energized, motivated and their mood improved--often for the first time--in fact, many say they felt "normal" for the first time in their lives when they took opiate drugs. Unfortunately, standard antidepressants are not usually effective against this form of depression, as they target serotonin rather than endorphins, so many of these folks may have gone from doctor to doctor looking for help with their problem, and ended up self-medicating with opiates.
Those with lighter, short-term addictions, and those who had normally functioning endorphin output to begin with, have the best chance of tapering off methadone and doing well. Those with long term, heavy addictions and a history of relapses have a much smaller chance.

The relapse rate for those leaving methadone treatment is 90% within the first year--however for those who remain IN treatment, the success rate is 65% to 90%--higher than with any other treatment method. But sadly, many end up leaving treatment prematurely due to several causes--family and friends who push them to "get off that stuff" because they do not understand how it works, or the patient may be unable to afford continued treatment, or they may become fed up with clinic red tape and bureaucracy--and this almost always ends in relapse and sometimes in tragedy.
Most experts recommend a minimum of 2-3 years in treatment before considering a taper. It is important that you be stable, no relapses for some time, have a supportive home environment and no major stresses going on in your life, and that you truly want to taper off and are not being pushed to do so by someone else. It is also suggested that the rate of taper be no more than 10% of your dose every 2-4 weeks. It is crucial that you go all the way down to 1mg before stepping off as well. Many try to jump off from 20 or 10 mgs and become desperately ill. Don't let this happen to you.
Also, if you feel at any time that you are close to relapsing, go back up a bit on your dose and WAIT until you feel stable and able to continue.

People often blame clinics for "keeping me hooked" if the clinic shows reluctance at the idea of withdrawing from treatment-
-however, the facts are > that clinics have plenty of patients waiting to take the place of anyone who leaves--sad to say--so they are NOT worried about losing YOUR money. It would be medically unethical for them to recommend tapering when they know the chances of a relapse are 90% and that the risks of a relapse are so serious--jails, loss of job, spouse, kids--disease, even death.
But if you wish to withdraw after being informed of the risks, they owe it to you to support you in your taper.
My very long opinion,
jack
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Statisics from SAMSHA records- 2009

Posted by: constantine April 3, 2011, 1:54 PM
WOW...I sure got the answers I was looking for...and Im not sure I wanted them...I turned 50 this year and have been tapering for about 10 months now...I so wanted to get off...thought it wouldnt be all that hard...I was SOOO wrong...Im at that last jump and Ive been just literally sweating myself dry, not sleeping...top that with possible menapause that I thought had already gone through on top of the taper ...and Ive been upping a few just to get through a day, or have at least a bit of sleep...one one hand, good to know Im not all alone, on the other...whew...Im scared as all that....

The sweats...does anyone else sweat so bad its really terrible ? Its almost like a heat flush, literally Im soaking wet...cant decide if its menapause or the taper or both...sleep seems better when I add a bit more of the mdone to my usual dose...but the sweats...they just dont let up...It feels like Im in constant mini withdrawal...


Im sooo glad to know their are others getting off or trying and who are in my age bracket...


Constantine

Posted by: Jazwan April 4, 2011, 7:48 PM
Sage Tablets 1 a day will lesson the sweats or stop them all together.

x

Posted by: jackofhartzz April 5, 2011, 3:35 AM
Hi again Con-

I dont talk to any of the ladies on the program about thier problems with mdone while going thru menopause , but I do overhear some things- -

I would talk to your gynecologist if you could. All the sweating and mood swings probably wouldnt be as bad while your tapering if you were properly being treated for life,s natural changes. I know thru some of the meetings that woman feel uncomfortable talking to their doctor about these issues- - the mdone stigma strikes again!!-
However, at the very least- a reasonably compassionate doctor would do what he/she could do , to ease a lot of the bodies natural changes, and in turn, it might help with some of withdrawal problems.
That has to be some kind of hell, to be going thru all that without any medical help , or at least some professional information. Dont forget, a lot of women have to take hormones and other meds just to go thru the change- - now throw a methadone taper on top of that.... I can only imagine how out of sorts you feel at times

And I should add >> us guys- in our 50,s also have some issues that should be taken taken care of. There are prostrate exams, and other "men issues" that mdone (tapering or not) that should not be overlooked.
Hell, we stopped using heroin, being in methadone treatment gives many of us the chance to finally take care of the things we always put off when we were using- -dentist visits, eye exams, colonoscopies , even skin care...etc..
Now some of us have to consider the aging process also - just because we stopped using dope, we didnt stop the ageing process( Im still waiting for them to find the fountain of youth myself)

So I guess the point is - to both guys and gals-- tapering or not- Its time for many of us to really start to take better care of ourselves.- -I know Eck and I recently has some health issues- sh8t happens, luckily they were minor problems in the scheme of things, but that might not always be the case.

I dont know how I got on such a rant Con- - but be good to yourself . 50 shouldnt be that old, at least I keep telling MY self that.

very best regards my friend * *

jack

Posted by: eckie April 9, 2011, 1:15 PM
Hi guys,...
Our health issues are really starting to get to me as mine in particular are draggin on and not getting any closer to being resolved if at all they can be..As most of you know i tested positive fr H-pirri or something like that which is some kind of bacteria that causes ulcers but after the course of meds that i was given my problem hadnt cleared up.I was then put on strong stomach tablets,n,told to come back in a month if they didnt work,n,get a referral to go into hospital to get a camera down my throat..So i went last tuesday there as the tabs havent worked expecting a referral but as i,m not bringing up acid etc the doc reckons its not an ulcer,n,after the symptoms i have given he doesnt think its my heart as i have pain in both arms right down to the tips of my fingers when affected.He has now given me a type of beta-blocker,doubled my prozac,which i dont take though cannot say that,n,told me i must not stop taking these tabs,n,come back in a month....
I cant say that i,m not taking the anti-depressants bcoz then i,m refusing to be treated but i feel that they have made me worse as i explained to Q-Bryn...After reading about the beta-blockers i was given it says that they are for heart related problems,n,anxiety etc so i started taking them but 2 0r 3days later i was very sick in the morning so i havent taken them since..To be honest i dont know what to do,,when i go back in a month i,ll ask what they are for etc bcoz i dont like being kept in the dark plus the Dr looked kinda stumped when he was thinkin bout things...
Con!!!I dont know if women,n,men are different when it comes to where meth,n,sweats etc..I remember a time years ago when a certain girl was on it at the same time as myself,n,she sweated really bad with it though always during the night and it made her pretty minging!!But we are all gettin older,,best of it is if it wasnt fr my body although i look alot better than i did a few months ago due to the fact that i,m now eating regularly i wouldnt feel a day older than 25,,lol,,,,Though it really is about time i started acting my age...Dinner time!!!Catch yeez...Eck

Posted by: constantine April 10, 2011, 2:34 AM
Jack , Eck,
Thank so much for the compassion and the replies...God, yes, the Mdone stigma makes me just cringe when I think of going in and speaking to the doc...I think, ok, I;ll get off the mdone first and THEN go in...ha ha...but I know your right...Ive dropped two more mgs or mls or whatever they are and am at 1.8 now....the sweats are horrid, and mostly at night but not always...I thought I had already gone through miss change since that particular womans feature has disappeared many years ago..but whammo...now Im sweating like god knows what...might just have been delayed for awhile because of the dope and now its full force...I swear the taper isnt as a bad as the sweating and not sleeping....and Im not sleeping because Im waking up sweating...lovley circle...cant really do much in the way of hormone treatments because I smoke and because of the mdone....good start for a stroke they tell me....so Im suffereing it oout at the moment...but Im going to the doc...I DO know one who has been very very good...and is compassionate.....wish we had more like this one....
yes Jack you are SO right...the mdone allows us to finally take care of things...to get on with life, to HAVE a life...I will never ever be ungrateful for that...and if I cant make the taper then its not such a huge deal to stay on it....Its the med issues and the changes and everything at the moment though that is pompting me to get off...
ECK !, isnt there another doc you can go to ? This one doesnt sound like he kbnows what to do...OMG, thats so hard Eck, I wish I knew something to help or recommend...my wife has alot of stomach related issues over the years too but nothing as bad as that, does nothing it calm it down ? tea ? milk ? anything like that at all ? as for the anti-depressents, I know exactly what you mean, I hate them with a passion; I really have my doubts as to what they help....sounds like they gave you a double dose...

Posted by: kellylou April 14, 2011, 7:03 PM
Hey !!
I too could do with some advice on coming off the Meth.. I am doing a community detox from Crack and Heroin ( IV user) that I have been using for 12-13 yrs on and off with a few stints in rehab thrown in for good measure ! This time Im looking at losing my 2 beautiful little girls if I dont pull in together and without them I would not have a reason to live so they give me a bigger reason than myself to finally beat this...
Problem I have at the moment is this..I have whittled my way down to 25ml of meth from 80ml quite quickly but I did this while remaining off of the street drugs. I now however have gone and had quite a big lapse and been using both the crack and heroin (snowballing) for about 2 weeks now..I am feeling positively low that I have lapsed again after 4 months clean but my main dilemma is can I survive on the 25mls that I had just gone onto before I lapsed.. I am REALLY scared and could do with my meth not going back up but I dont wanna try and be a soldier and care for 2 kids really ill...day 1 and Im going to bed feeling pretty s***ty but is it just coz Im tired?? Is my head gonna make this worse ???
HHEEEEELLLPPP PPPPLEEEAASSEE ???

Posted by: MomNMore April 14, 2011, 7:41 PM
What's the rush to go down so fast? It's a recipe for disaster...never speed recovery,...it took you awhile to get where you are and you're not going to get out that quickly. I'm not an addict, but I do know that fast tapers rarely work...you need to stabilize at each level.

Hang in there ~ MomNMore

Posted by: jackofhartzz April 15, 2011, 8:01 AM

Dont worry about too far into the future- - this a a one day at a time thing (see, I do agree with the XA programs -quite often)

Get yourself on a comfortable dose - you gotta get stabilized so you have the focus and energy to get it together,- you can always taper later on- - When your head is in the right place.

This disease creates for tough times for those trying to be hero,s-- take it easy

best regards
jack

Posted by: bibo April 15, 2011, 6:49 PM
I sympathise with you as I have been on methadone many times and never been able to get below 10mls even with the likes of clonidine so in the end I went back to using and then think of a plan to get off without it and I must say that I am glad I did it that way because I have succeeded without the methadone.
With some plan and determination, I have done it and, you know for me that it was a lot easier than getting off methadone.
Now, I just talk of personel experience and it does not mean it cannot work for you eventually. I dont want you to give up or use what I say as an "excuse "to go back to using heroin. If you are stble on 10mls ans not using as well, then, that's excellent in itself.
No matter what route you go for, it takes time and determination, so hang in there. Withdrawls does not last forever, even it it feels that way. In my opinion, metahadone drags thind out and eventually, you have to hit the bad times, unfortunatly.
For me, now, though, the memory of the bad times is a good deterrant to not go back to using and puting myself through that again.
Good luck, dont give up

Posted by: Murphy April 20, 2011, 10:29 PM
I am in the process getting off methadone after 20 years i got down to 10 then hit a road block.It took me 10 years clean off heroin and 10 years to get from 175mg of methadone.I was using herion and meth at the same time.I switched to suboxone then started at 6mg wasn't uncomfortable but had very bad heart pounding for 2 weeks.My plan was that after 20 years of meth it should take about 2 and a half months to get it out of my system so i set it up with the suboxine to get off in that time frame.Its been a month and a half and i am now on 1 mg of suboxine and its not that bad yet (YET) I really think the pain i feel is because the meth isn't out of me do to the short amount of time i have been on suboxine.In the end this was my only option.I am grateful to methadone because it saved my life BUT it also suppressed my feeling mentally and physically and stopped me from being what i can be. I am sure many will say this may not be a good way to get off but i no a very close friend on meth for 28 years do it this way and walk away pain free..If you use the suboxone only to cover the time you will be suffering meth withdrawal and no longer it will be an easier landing.Best of luck to everyone...

Posted by: jackofhartzz April 21, 2011, 4:56 AM
Murph-

interesting- -Ive also been on MM for over 20 yrs- Glad you are doing it correctly , are focused, did your research, and so far things are going according to your plan

As for me- you can see from my few post on this thread- Im focused on the stigma the medical community puts out there . The drug companies will say mdone is a viable treatment for pain- but not addiction(for what is was originally used for)- Thats why a doctor can write you a script for pain> but a addict has to suffer the indignity of standing in a line with all kinds of addicts with all kinds of motives- -even if thier motive is to straighten out thier life- at a clinic that often can care less about them- They will make sure you are paid in full and up to a week in advance though-
Jobs will hassle you or wont hire you if you are on a clinic but if you show them a stript for pain -they make an exception- Mdone has saved thousands of people from a life of hell , people have regained thier confidence, family, job, etc... because of this treatment , why vilify the person on it?? - They (most?) are just trying to get thier life back- maybe stay out of prison , or court every week- - you get the idea.....they just want want the cycle of opiate addiction and all that goes with it on the streets to end-

If and when I choose to come off of 100mgs a day - I think doing your homework, as you have , is the only way to go. Too many think detoxing off this medicine can be done by coming down a few Mg's a week- then jump off.- - - Only to be back shooting dope a week later

Best regards,
jack

Posted by: Mark May 1, 2011, 7:41 PM
hi all...I am a chronic pain patient, and for the last 14 years I have been on methadone. Before that it was Oxycontin. I tried twice to quit on my own, and made it almost 3 weeks each time before I couldn't handle it anymore and caved in.Anyone who tells you you can be off methadone in a few days or a week or two is wrong...methadone withdrawal can last for months.

In April I went to a rapid detox place in Michigan. They make it sound like you have the procedure Weds. morning, are a bit uncomfortable Thurs and Fri, and you fly home Sat. Oh, I forgot, they put you under, and flood your body with Naltrexone which scrubs the neurotransmitters that handle the opiates in your brain completely clean of the opiates. It does that. I am 54 yrs old and I have been REALLY sick for the past 4 weeks. My brain is not working right, I am not walking or talking normally, I am physically exhausted 24 hours, yet I slept 2 hours last night. This has been really hard. They say methadone is by far the hardest to get off...something about its long half life and that it resides n your liver, body fat, the gut, and who knows what else.
I am so glad to be off methadone, but so far the cost has been high, in money, but more so in a really difficult physical situation.
I am getting better, but slowly. I am forcing myself to get up and shower and dress in the mornings now, but I havent been to work in a month, and still might be a week or two away. Actually I am going to TRY to go to the office tomorrow, even if it is just an hour or two.
the problem is that my brain is not functioning anywhere near normal. Typing this is the hardest thing I have done since this whole thing happened. I empathize with you all, and just wanted to share my experince. Being on methadone for years does damage your brain as well as your adrenals, and other parts of your body too. It is a dangerous drug. I know from experience.

Posted by: lisa May 10, 2011, 8:22 AM
im currently on my third day of absolutly nuthin . i was on 4 mil and gone to nothin the pain is unbeleivible cant wait to get through it i know at the end it will be worth it the hardest thing is that i have work tomorrow and must go in i just hope i can get threw it !

Posted by: Kitteekatt May 14, 2011, 3:21 PM
Hey just looking in, goodluck with your WDs I'm rooting for you keep checking in and let us all know how youre doing. Love Kitty xx

Posted by: Allie January 8, 2013, 9:27 AM
I was on 50 mg of methadone for 5 years. I am on my last day at 5 mg and this has been a relatively easy thing. I am more scared of how I feel vs. Getting back on drugs. That part is over. Can anyone tell me what to expect physically?

Posted by: Granny2 3 January 9, 2013, 1:19 AM
Hi Allie,
I have never detoxed off methadone but I would venture to say that if you are down that far you should be fine. At this point ,I would think it is about keeping yourself busy,working, whatever so your mind wont wander.If this detox was done in a timely, doctor supported way and you have a good support system to fall back on such as AA, NA, you have a sposor, and go to meetings you should be good to GO!!!

Good Luck, and remember, you can always go back to the methadone. Dont ever fool yourself into thinking you can slam once in a while. Go back to your clinic before you ever use again.

Good luck to you!!
Granny

Posted by: mainy October 13, 2014, 7:17 AM
I've been on 20mgs of methadone for the past 4 years. My Dr put me on that after I went through horrible withdrawal from IV Demerol, oxymoron, zanax and other meds. It was the worst year of my life because they cut me off to quick. So I'm on methadone not because of the detox but for my pain. My Dr thinks this is the best pain med for me because I have such a high tolerance and using the standard dose If any other pain meds won't touch me. He says it's a great med to be on for ling term but the side effects I.e. sweating, not sleeping, poor appetite is driving me nuts. So I cut myself down to 10mg a day and would love to stop it but I'm terrified if what I went through in the past. Any suggestions?

Posted by: mainy October 13, 2014, 7:19 AM
Sorry, that was oxycontin not oxymoron.

Posted by: devil is a liar November 2, 2014, 7:21 AM
your a nurse thats great come down one mil.a week.you will not notice promise

Posted by: sweet December 20, 2014, 4:01 AM
withdrawal is not easy, but so much work getting that close, then to jump ship to avoid withdrawal, is never going to get u off the boat, be prepared, accept the uneasiness, look forward, that withdrawal is a b****, but the outcome is you will never have to do again, only if serious, this can be achieved as many in the world have done so. fear is the obstacle, and clean time is done many times over, which the body is clean the mind still needs medicine, and in my world it is called support, honesty and go to 12 step program to keep the mind focused on the truth and your success

Posted by: Mark Ross I did what you did September 1, 2015, 10:26 AM
Hey listen...the best thing anyone can do during withdrawal is to find a hot tub and sit in it. Nothing calms the nerves, body, mind and spirit like an hour in a hot tub. It accelerated my WD ten fold all 6 times I did it. And trust me, I was a heavy, heavy user of Oxycodone and Methadone. Not only that, and I don't know your physical shape or situation, but you need to get your endorphin's up again. Go walk, jog, or run and sweat as much as you can for as long as you can before you feel like you're going to pass out. Drink lots of water and then again, find a hot tub or hot shower as often as needed. They will help you detox and rid the toxins from your body faster than you can ever imagine. I am in the process of opening a place for this because I have found, and so have my friends, that nothing works better or faster. As for the anxiety, take Xanax since it hits you the quickest, but don't stay on for more than two weeks and build a new addiction. PLease try this if you can. Join a gym if you have to and stay there using their spas, saunas, pools, and work out. It may not seem like something you want to do, but withdrawing causes your endorphin's to drop and they need come up again. When they do, you will not feel as bad, TRUST ME! Hope this helps my friend! Stay strong. There is ALWAYS light at the end of the tunnel.

Posted by: baltimoron December 4, 2015, 9:59 AM
I was on methadone for 10 years. foolishly I went to rehab when I was at 30 mg. after my 2 weeks I could still feel opiates in my body and stumbled hard when getting home; almost killed me. I am clean now for 7 months but if I can help anyone, do yourself a favor and do blind detox. I don't have regrets but doing this way almost killed me.

Posted by: Elizabeth January 18, 2016, 12:22 AM
I am currently on 35 mg of METHADONE. I am trying to get out and have only been in the clinic for 3 months. I only started because I was dope sick. I never craved I used to not be sick. Now I am in this clinic and I'm done. I wanna clear mind. I don't wanna be so tired anymore and I will NEVER USE AGAIN, sick or not. How bad do u think my withdrawal would be if I just quit cold turkey?

Posted by: John Doe June 27, 2016, 11:53 PM
Hey I was reading this thing this was so me!
I just got fed up! They never mention the physical side effects !
Taking Methadone every day is NOT safe! I don't mean overdoses , What I am talking about
will effected you for life! Methadone has some very VERY SERIOUS side effects for almost ALL Users . All Opiate medications are Very Alkaline and cause sever sever BONE Problems.
You think it's bad now wait till they begin eating into your bones!
That lovely itching you feel! Yeah you all know that feeling, well how many of you knew that sensation is from your bones breaking down!
The sedentary life and sedated hygiene certainly won't help.
ALL OPIATES ARE TERRIBLE FOR BONES !
You will surely have two ends to this thread!
Get clean now! The soon the better !
Or make things worse
I never thought I'd be here giving advice not taking it.
You guys need to be real ! The fact is the fact ! This withdrawl last
If you are taking this remember 7-10 days of hell is worth your life!
Things will get better ! The chills and horrible aches will stop after 7days 10 you'll feel much better ! The longer period of emotions will slowly get better over the next 14-22days.
In a month you CAN TAKE BACK YOUR LIFE.
Always remember this drug has a 24-30 hr half life.
This means if you take 10 mg a day your actually on more like 17mg (day 10 mg =day2 +5from day 1 so the amount in your systems is far more then you think.
I highly highly doubt your withdrawals on this dose is going to be that rough..I would highly highly recommend you look into what you do to you body and if it's worth the price.
Stay positive you CAN easy come off of 10 mg a day!
If you failed maybe you don't know why?
Your dose may have been way higher then you thought!
You should be able to easy easy easy go down 5mg a month.
Consistency of the dose and lil suffering will pay.
Don't try and come off this with out guild lines .
Don't give up! It was not so bad I went from 50 to 30 last year and this year 15 max , never thought I'd be free! After 7 full days with zero (including half life) I finally stopped the severe stage and became emotional this also was far less painful then the steps down!
Don't let ppl get you down you can easy get off it , part of the cycle is thinking you will fail!
Give it your best! No steps back !

You'd be shocked just how much is mental !
The answer is not more meds! Benzos and opiates are a horrible idea.
I personally live in a green state and some high grade weed helps, sativa AM ,hybrid afternoon ,indica but your proscriber may want to see a medical permit , some ban it all together , it varies from administration and state.
Exercise EXERCISE ! You must stay active ! Staying active will both help deal with the physical and the mental . At the end this is key in getting off!

Kick the slave driver adolfadone out your life (as we know it was developed to solve Hitlers/Germany's opiate supply issues. After the War in 1947 it became one of the essential medications of a society by the World Health Organization.)
Russia and many other Countries do NOT believe Methadone helps addiction .
NO ONE INTENDED IT AS A LONG TERM medication .

Remember this is true in your best interest!

Best Wishes

Posted by: constantine June 28, 2016, 10:33 AM
John,
for all methadone's dark side...and EVERYTHING has a dark side...it saved my life...allowed me to re-build...to breathe....It is still an excellent option when you've got no options left...it helps...it delivers if you work with it...

Posted by: Kevin June 11, 2017, 9:08 PM
Hello all
i'm new to checking out the meth message boards. I guess the reason for my recent interest is that I'm looking to find the best way for me to come off he stuff. I've been on the program for both pain mgmt (following a car accident) as well as addiction(correlating to the use of pain meds following the accident). I have been using meth for 9 years now and as a 42 year old I am kind of going through a mid life crisis. after some deep contemplation and research I have decided to titrate down from 135 mgs in order to join the Canadian Air Force as an Officer (Pilot). I am sure that there will be many younger individuals in the Officer program but this is something I want to do despratly. I figure at I can utilize the time it will take to get off the medication in order to get my body back into tip top shape. (I was a minor league professional baseball player 20 years ago.) I am hoping that muscle memory will help with the process. I will be sure to keep you folks up to date. I would appreciate any assistance you can offer in order to make this process as painless as possible.

Thanks and God Bless to all.

Kevin
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