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|Posted by: sinead November 29, 2010, 5:39 PM|
I've been on suboxone for quite a while now. I'm on 16mg at the moment,
Just a quick question...... if you swallow your suboxone, does that make it not as effective??
I'm asking this as I have done it a couple of times and was wondering if it makes any difference?
|Posted by: sinead December 2, 2010, 5:41 AM|
|Has no-one got any advice??? x|
|Posted by: Eddie B December 3, 2010, 6:10 AM|
My understanding is that they aren't as effective. When I was reducing I was cutting them in half then quarters and I had to swallow at that point.
By then I had reduced to 2mg daily and I think the need was partly psychological.
Have you got to the point where you forget to take one yet?
Once I'd done that a few times I started to reduce.
|Posted by: SuzieM90 December 3, 2010, 8:51 AM|
I started off taking suboxone 6 months ago but now take subutex due to some issues I was having withthe naloxone in suboxone. As far as swallowing it making a difference the amount you would be absorbing of the naloxone should not make too much difference. The only thing I found was that swallowing it and the same goes for the subutex it made me more nautious. Most people I have spoken to prefer not to swallow it in case it lessens the affects of the buprenorphine which I think is probably more psychological? I do find that swallowing the subutex seems to give me a stronger effect?
|Posted by: sinead December 3, 2010, 5:18 PM|
|Hey Eddie B,
I'm supervised at the moment....so I can't forget to take them.
I have been on suboxone twice before and I managed fine on 8mg. So I have been trying to tell my drugs worker that I don't need to be on such a high dose (16mg) but she won't listen to me!!!
So there have been a couple of times when I have swallowed an 8mg tablet on purpose. I have been reading about suboxone and other people have also told me that less is more. I don't want to get really addicted to sub. Don't know if I'm doing the right thing or not...?? x
|Posted by: cowgirl December 6, 2010, 1:11 PM|
|Probably should do what your dr tells you to do. I've never heard of people swallowing them. They are designed to be used under the tongue for a reason. Doing anything other than what your dr prescribes is addictive behavior and not condusive of recovery. You kinda miss the point, you know?|
|Posted by: MomNMore December 6, 2010, 6:43 PM|
|Excellent advice, Lisa...very insightful about the addictive behavior.|
|Posted by: sinead December 7, 2010, 9:40 PM|
I know what you mean about the addictive behaviour.
But it's just so frustrating because I keep telling her that I don't need this amount. She said that she wasn't going to put me on methadone because of how addictive it is....but other people have been telling me horror stories of how addictive suboxone is.....and the woman that I see isn't even a doctor. I just don't get it.....when I'm fine on 8mg (I was actually down to 2mg at one point) she decides to put me on double the amount!
|Posted by: mistyeyes December 8, 2010, 8:48 AM|
|There has to be a reason she put you at 16mgs and a reason why she won't listen to you in terms of 8 mgs being enough. But I am wondering if you are reacting to the 16 mgs based on what you have read....There is no set dose, where one is comfortable is where they are comfortable.
And I am curious how do you feel on that amount not only physically but mentally. You were weaning in August and afraid to come off and thinking that you were being weaned off to fast, and now you are afraid you are to high???
In terms of swallowing your body will not absorb the full dose...
And in terms of being addicted to it, it is addictive there will be way around that but all opiates are... you really have to not read other people's experiences. You have no idea what coming off will be like and there are a lot of factors that play into this..Like how fast one weaned, if they got to the lowest possible dose, meaning .02 before they jumped and allowed themselves along the way to stable out at each drop... how long they were on and if it was enough time to help them heal, help them work out what got them here in the first place. Also the horror stories play as well and not knowing them does have a more positive effect in terms of a head trip, but knowing them also can show a what not to do if you know the whole story...If your are on a board like this reading stories then make sure you search back and read the whole story.
Being on this is affording you a chance to get your life back together. To find support, to work on your own issues, and driving yourself crazy about end result will not help you...actually it can be an easy distraction to avoid looking within...don't cheat yourself like that.
Good luck, try not to worry so much...
|Posted by: MomNMore December 8, 2010, 2:09 PM|
|My daughter jumped down from 8 to 4 to 2 in a month and only had two or three bad days...not horrible days, just normal bad days. Misty is right...forget about what others say...for every horror story there's a success story...let yourself be one of those.
Peace ~ MomNMore
|Posted by: Robbie December 8, 2010, 4:25 PM|
|..What works for one Sinead dosen't nessacarily work for the other..Did you have a lapse/use on top of your subs between August (6mgs- when your dose was being lowered) and when she put you up to 16mgs..i can't understand why she would lower then up your dose without good reason ?..if she hasn't had good reason to up your dosage then i would have a word with the Doctor or the Service Manager about this if i were you..if she has had good reason/reasons you given her to make her top it up the maybe your not ready to have your dose lowered just yet and she is acting in your best interests..its not beneficial for you to be in this situation though..As you have been on them a couple of times before then maybe you need some stability at the moment and not be worrying about coming off them anytime soon..its not worse or better to come off 16mgs-0 than it is coming of 8mgs-0 it just takes that little bit longer..sometimes when we think something is hindering us it could actually be helping us ?..take it easy on yaself sinead and try not to stress to much..time is a great healer..Robbie..
..Hey Tina..hope ya well..things are good my end..take care..
|Posted by: Linz December 10, 2010, 7:51 PM|
|Hi Sinead. I'm on suboxone for the 16th time now! I won't tell you any stories about coming off as like everyone here has said, everyone's different and there's no point scaring yourself listening to people's horror stories. There will be plenty of success stories too I'm sure. I actually have the patient information leaflet here and it does say that they are ineffective if swallowed and should only be taken sublingually. Again, I've never tried swallowing them as I don't want them to not work! My drug worker also tried to get me to stay on a high dose (16mg) for a long period of time the last time I was on them but I knew from past experience that it was too high for me. I just went along with it till I came off supervised and reduced myself at home down to 2mg a day. I've done this loads of times and it was painless. I personally can't sleep on a high dose and get headaches which is a listed side effect of taking them. I know these people are supposed to be the professionals but I also know how my body feels and what is good for me so I found a drug worker who actually listened to me and respected the fact I'd been on them before and was really good with me. They might have read all the books and got the qualifications but they have not experienced the actual effects of the medication/any side effects/titration and reductions so they have to listen to you too. I can understand them being catious if you keep asking for more but when you feel ready to reduce, they should be open to discussion about it and let you have some say in the matter. Suboxone/subutex are great if used properly and you find a dose which works for you. How long you stay on them is entirely dependent on how you are mentally and physically. I'd suggest just getting your life to where you want it to be and when you feel ready in both these ways, reduce at your own pace. Don't rush it, i've made that mistake a few times and screwed up.
Talk to your doc and ask for their reasons why they won't let you reduce and discuss it through. You can still stay on a maintenance dose, just a lower one if that suits you.
|Posted by: cowgirl December 22, 2010, 1:02 PM|
|My son's doctor told him something about there having to be enough suboxone in your system to fill the receptors? Maybe 8mg wasnt' enough. But whatever the case, it worries me that your Sub "dr" isn't a "dr" at all...what is she? How are you doing with all of it now?|
|Posted by: Chloe Belle January 5, 2011, 3:06 AM|
|hey sinead, I've posted on here a bit about getting off of drugs (and getting off of the drugs to get off of the drugs, namely Suboxone). It can be done, but many people have problems with it. Getting off of drugs is far more hard-core than getting hooked is.
I have over a year off suboxone, 2 years off cigarettes/nicotine, and 6 months off zoloft. I'm currently not physically dependent on any substances, which is completely amazing. It can be done.
The key is a willingness to change ... EVERYTHING.
The things you retain are the best parts of you, the parts that addiction has hidden from ourselves and our loved ones.
If you're interested in particulars, let me know. I don't use the fellowship of NA/AA, but I do use the principles of NA/AA. Maybe when I'm older I'll find a fellowship that suits me, I couldn't find anyone in this town to sponsor me, really. I hope to find a mentor in the program one day who feels comfortable being my mentor.
|Posted by: tony January 19, 2011, 11:59 AM|
|hi regarding suboxone,
iv been on the stuff for 4 years now like you 16 ml a day,the only reason to put you on a high dose is to complete a full opiate blocking effect,so if you use on top its a waste of time and money,bupenorphine has to enter the blood stream directly which is why sublingual,they only put the nalxon in the stop people snorthing and banging it up.which was what was happening with subtex,as for swollowing it has no effect at all.im thinking hard about rehab does any one have experiance or advice,love to know your thoughts.
|Posted by: JohN-A January 26, 2011, 11:06 AM|
|if you swallow the tablets ? your kidneys and liver digest some of the qualities you're supposed to be gaining. It DOES make a difference.
|Posted by: marcus February 3, 2011, 1:49 AM|
|I have been involved with a program called Recovery2day and the point of this program is to remove all barriers to recovery,eliminate magical thinking and is based on proven science...
I have been battling substance issues for better than 30 years and have made some very important changes in my life...The only thing I am currently addicted to is nicotine and that is next.
I won't comment on sub withdrawl as we all react differently...
Anyone interested in recovery 2day it can be found at www.recovery2day.org or at our facebook page...There is 2 paths in recovery 2day. one is the south pass and contains terminology such as god or higher power and if you flip the book over it is the north pass for secularists,atheists,agnostics or anyone just wishing to utilise science based tools without having to read around words such as god...
|Posted by: Hollywoodwhitecat April 26, 2012, 10:27 PM|
|Wow! Reading all these post make me get the sense that there is a real community; that is reassuring. I was addicted to heroin and withdrew with bupe. Many years later I developed chronic pain issues and was reluctant to try oxycontin as my Doctor suggested. I found an addiction specialist who recommended that I use Suboxone for pain management. It is very effective for my peripheral neuropathy and quite honestly gives me the same mood stabilizing effect that heroin did without all the grossness involved. I used to swallow the saliva with the strips, but now I don't. I usually dose after a cup of coffee and this keeps my mouth from salivating too much. I keep the eight mg/2mg stip under the center of my tongue for about 30 mins and then spit. The absorbtion rate is good and the spit is usuallhy clear, not orange. I came to this forum to see why it is recommended not to swallow the medication. my best guess is that the nalaxone stays in the expelled spit, making the dose more effective. Any comments?|
|Posted by: cowgirl April 27, 2012, 11:31 AM|
|Hollywood..they were talking about swallowing the whole pill, not just the spit.|
|Posted by: Hollywoodwhitecat April 27, 2012, 3:33 PM|
|Posted by: richstew May 5, 2012, 12:35 PM|
|I read that you cant use suboxone intravenously, but I do from an 8 mg. pill. I've gone from 16 mg sublingually to 4mg snorting it to less than a mg a day intravenously. I got kicked out of my program and due to money issues needed to find a way to ween myself down and to be honest get off it all together. I am not advocating what I do by no means. I did what I had to do out of necesity. I found it weird that I could do so little intravenously to be OK compared to either the sublingual or snorting. I think it wears out of my system quicker than doing it any other way and I still wd the same as much as coming off the other ways, it just makes my supply last longer. Right now I am making 2mg last close to 5 days and not doing bad. I believe It wont be too bad to make the jump. It sucks that I had to play doctor with myself and figure all this out for myself. I know people are going to say it is the addictive personality but as far as I am concerned it is like being a diabetic. I do one dose in the morning and one in the evening and it works for me. Soon I can leave it all behind!!! I think the reason it does not seem to be so bad is that I stopped hating myself. It definitely took a psychological change and a bit of faith. I am not religious but believe it or not, prayer did help me. Good luck to you all.|
|Posted by: MomNMore May 5, 2012, 6:30 PM|
|Were you an IV user? If so, you are feeding that part of the addiction...the part that enjoys the tie and shoot...the rush of the needle.
I certainly hope you manage to find your way to clean, I really do....I hope your way works for you.
Peace ~ MomNMore
|Posted by: richstew May 6, 2012, 11:18 AM|
|I was an intravenous drug user 12 yrs. ago and kicked everything and never did opiates again. I got hooked on sobos when my back couldn't take roofing and my roommate was doing them. I tried them and they helped so for a few years it has been nothing but sobos with no desire to ever do an opiate. Though I am still in that boat with the exception that I do not get high, just comfortable. I have been in the sobo clinic and got kicked out so now I am weening myself off and it has gotten down to about a 1/4 of a mg. 2 to 3 times a day. When I jump next month it shouldn't be so bad. I realize the rig is a part of the addiction also. It just made being on sobos cost effective and in the long run, I believe, easier to get off for me anyways. I do not recomend what I am doing, I just thought that the info may be new to most.|
|Posted by: Deb August 23, 2012, 6:55 PM|
|Chloe Bell - I am interested in hearin gmore about your story. IT sounds like what I want mine to be....very soon
|Posted by: Ashley November 21, 2012, 6:38 PM|
|Hi I know this post was from a long time ago, but since I'm reading it then others probably are too! I'm in a intensive outpatient program right now and I'm 56 days clean today. Swallowing your WHOLE suboxone is pointless as my Dr. tells me when you swallow your subs you are getting nothing from it, it sits in your stomach as you digest it and it dies in your feces (poop) (TMI? Sorry if so LOL) I'm not sure if anyone has been told this, (I'm sure you have) but you should not EAT, DRINK or SMOKE 20 minutes before and after you take your dose of suboxone as this decreases the effects and from experience taking it on the street and now taking it as prescribed I know this works! At first I as well felt I was on to much suboxone and made an appt. with my doctor to lower my dose, but he did now allow me to. Now being 56 days into the program I feel this isn't enough for me and I don't know why. I processed it in my group today and others feel the same way who are around my sobriety date. I'm pretty sure we came to a realization that this is mental and in some way your brain goes back to that addictive behavior at times and tells you that you need more of something no matter what it is.
Just know that we are Sober JUST FOR TODAY! Whatever may be wrong WILL PASS as long as you have the right treatment and sober support! Even when your at your lowest point and feel like giving up just remember things will change and will get better. No one ever said this would be easy, but it sure is worth it! Good Luck to all. I wish you all the best! God Bless!
|Posted by: Marty September 14, 2013, 3:28 PM|
|Hi guys. Ok I've been an opiate user for several years. I've heard everything imaginable when it comes to methods of using Suboxone. My doctor started me out on 20 mg's after switching from Methadone. I felt like that was too much and the doctor strongly suggested not lowering my dose but allowed me to cut down to 12 mg's. At this point I was dissolving as directed. I noticed no difference from switching from 20 mg to 12 except that I felt a lot better! No headaches, clammy skin, chills, etc. I then asked to cut down to 8 mg. I never noticed anything at all from dropping except the drop in price. People say the doctor has you on 20 for a reason. There is no way for a doctor to know exactly what dose you should be on. It varies from person to person. You have to be responsible and honest and make a decision based on what's best for you. All the talk about which way of dosing is more effective can usually be attributed to addict behavior. I will say though one day I accidentally swallowed my 8 mg tablet (yes accidentally) and never thought anything of it. 10 Minutes later I noticed I felt way different than I had previously on Suboxone. I felt good. But how could that be? I was told if it were swallowed only 10% or so would actually end up doing anything ( Read bio-availability chart). I cannot find many other people saying the same thing. My twin brother now swallows his whole and can't believe the difference. I'm not saying I get high but I don't feel any of the uncomfortable feelings I thought were part of being on suboxone. I'm not saying this is a way everyone should take suboxone. All I know is it works way better for me. I'm glad I accidentally swallowed it that day. No science really backs up that claim and I never would have thought it to be the case. But there is an unmistakable difference. My brother was skeptical but he too now swallows it whole. I've gotten to the point now where I rarely think about drugs, the method of doing them, etc. To meet that's a big step. Next step get off suboxone. Oh and I haven't had a bowel movement and it's been 4 days since I started swallowing. I am eating the same food as I was before and I was having a bowel movement every morning. Another sign the opiates are having more of an effect. And I've been noticing less and less of an itch. The first time I swallowed it I sweat and itched a lot. Tolerance is building so I expect side effects to lessen each day. Sorry for the length and probably creating more questions than I did answers lol. Take care everybody and I hope you continue not using.|
|Posted by: Nita October 23, 2013, 1:53 PM|
|On the subject of ingesting suboxone/buprenorphine sublingually or swallowing, I'm extremely interested and desperate to get answers regarding this particular issue. I have a serious gagging reflex problem and everytime I have to ingest this med I literally have to phsych myself out ridiculously! I will put it off for hours and hours before actually going thru with it. This med makes me throw up! I cannot tolerate the horrific taste and am to the point where if there is anyway that I could just swallow it ---- I'm doing it! I haven't actually just tried it only because I don't want to waste it if it ends up not working cause its so darned expensive and I have to make do with a certain amount each month. So, if anyone out there could help me out here and give me some insight as to whether "swallowing" the bupe would still work or not, I would be extremely grateful cause I'm at the point where I'd almost rather go thru w/d's than suffer these gagging/puking daily episodes! Thank you so much.|
|Posted by: Nita October 23, 2013, 2:47 PM|
|To richstew: Although the idea of injecting anything is completely disgusting to me, I do understand that it was your way of stretching out your supply. Alot of people (especially if they have insurance) don't ever have to deal with these type of issues/problems. I for one, do. I'm a single mother with a handicapped child living from paycheck to paycheck and everytime I have to fill my bupe script ---- it puts me in a bind with my finances. I even commend you because it sounds like you tried varioius methods of injesting the med in an effort to find which one was going to make your supply last the longest. Reason I say this is because you could have always done what I've seen many individuals do and that is use it as an excuse to use, all the while telling themselves "well, what am I supposed to do? I'm out of meds so I don't have any choice", and justify it that way. Believe me, I have heard that excuse from so many people so many times it's not even funny! But you didn't do that and that's why I commend you. It sounds like you've stayed focused on your recovery and as long as you stay focused, I believe you will succeed! I wish you all the luck in the world!
|Posted by: nt53 October 24, 2013, 11:01 AM|
|To "Cowgirl" post of 12/6/10 regarding her response to the question of 'swallowing vs. sublingually ingesting suboxone: Cowgirl, your reply said something to the affect that subs were "designed to be used under the tongue for a reason" (and that's absolutely correct), but what you said next is what I don't agree with because I am personally one of the individuals who has desperately been trying to find some kind of solution to my problem of sublingual ingestion due to my severe gagging reflex which is brought about from the disgustingly nasty taste of this medication! So, no, I don't agree that "doing anything other than what your dr. prescribes is ADDICTIVE BEHAVIOR and not condusive of recovery", (your words) because I am sick and tired of puking everytime I have to ingest mine! It has nothing to do with "addictive behavior" at all. I don't know about you, but I'm just not a fan of having to vomit to take my medication!|
|Posted by: SurrenderZ November 23, 2013, 4:07 AM|
|Suboxone tabs and Suboxone film are only to be used sublingualy. Under your tongue until it dissolves. Sublingual us a rapid absorption through the vein under your tongue. Swallowing one is about as affective as taping it to your eyebrows. This us not a med you can take another route with and expect any efficacy.|
|Posted by: rayray13 November 26, 2013, 11:57 PM|
|Do they even prescribe pills/tablets anymore? I thought you could only get strips now?|
|Posted by: karma January 2, 2014, 1:47 AM|
|I just wanted to say that suboxone and subutex are highly addictive EVERYONE I've talked to says so and I am o. The med myself and when I didn't have the money to get my med out and had to go without for a few days I was very very sick agitated and didn't want to move. I'm going to admit at least some of that was psychological!|
|Posted by: herbert jones January 5, 2014, 11:20 AM|
| I love this tread :) Hello, I live in the Midwest and don't know anybody on Suboxone (generic pill). Anyways these stories are great and the doses people have I can compare with mine. I'm all by myself in this opiate addition around here and I don't know anyone on Suboxone. I used to get high everyday and it was just no way to live a life. I have a daughter that loves me and that's what I was missing psychologically. I was always there in person and was a lot of fun because I was so high. Well now I have so much more of a organic relationship with my daughter, and we love each other more than ever. Some people say that you cant fix pill addition with a pill. Well I beg to differ, this pill has totally changed my life, and others around me. I am on 12 mg a day and think I am going up to 16mg. Besides my numb hands and my low sex drive the pills are great.
My favorite thing about them is also the part I hate the most about them, is that you can't get high! My dr. said a three day shelf life, but I think it is more like two. Someone had a good point that we are the ones that know are bodies and know if it is too much. Sometimes I feel really crappy and I don't think that I want it raised again, but my dr. does. They have never done them so they don't know what it feels like not to go to the bathroom in comfort or not to get aroused for a lady that really likes you :) All I know is that the good outweigh the bad, and that's the truth!
One question?? Does anyone know how long you are supposed to be on these before your side effects subside or get worse permanently. They seem like they are giving me arthritis and I would hate to keep that forever. My goal is to be on 2 mg a day. Thank you everyone that read this and just listened to me. I've never had anyone to talk to about this. I live in S.D. and most of the people that live here are senior citizens and don't get too much into opiates .. lol! Well maybe a couple I don't know about do ;)
|Posted by: Junkie in Recovery May 7, 2014, 11:38 PM|
|Ok this is my opinion
Yes swallowing the strips still works and I can not tell any difference swallowing vs under the tounge I did 16mg for the first week and tapered down after that to 8mg because at that point I was finished with my detox enough to not get sick on 8mg. The reason why I swallow is because I don't like the taste reminds me of chewing up pain pills. I believe that the only difference between swallowing and under the tounge is how fast the medication begins to work. I believe that is why they use strips much much more than pills. Under the tounge the medication begins to work much quicker than if swallowed. Your body isn't loosing any part off the medication it just takes a lil longer to fully active. And yes possibly may make your stomach upset but I have a strong stomach do I have never had a problem. My advice taper down and get off as soon as possible and have some left over incase the urge becomes to strong take one and let someone know the situation. I don't want to be on any medication as possible because I'm not gonna always have that crutch to save me. Good luck I hope that this was helpful. ONE LOVE
|Posted by: Mila June 25, 2014, 3:32 PM|
|Do Not swallow your sub it's doesn't make any effect it just makes u vomit u should make it melt under your tongue so that the veins there suck it up like a sponge to take effect|
|Posted by: Frank July 8, 2014, 5:01 PM|
|I must be one of the lucky ones. I stopped taking suboxone 8mg twice a day, cold turkey and did not feel a thing. After hundreds of real opiate withdrawals, maybe I'm just used to it by now. Has away one else experienced this? I thought I should post this positive experience with getting off of suboxone.|
|Posted by: Guest August 28, 2014, 7:40 PM|
|considering that swallowing them is less effective, I'd say that's not an addictive behavior
|Posted by: mrsubox August 31, 2014, 10:33 AM|
|It's proven that Buprenorphine is more effective when taken sublingual, but that doesn't mean it will have no effect at all. The bad thing is its likely to give stomach aches and there is a definite difference in the effects. The drug should be taken under the tongue unless otherwise directed by a doctor.|
|Posted by: Trey Lesh November 17, 2014, 3:46 AM|
|I have personal experience swallowing the tablets and they DO work. My research has indicated that if you swallow the tablets, you will not get as much buprenorphine in your system as you would sublingually. Again, this is from personal experience as I was on the 8mg tablets for over a year and the taste made me gag/vomit, so I began doubling my dose and swallowing them. I feel that subutex not only is stronger, but it blocks other opiates more. Completely, actually. Can't explain this since there is no blocker, but that's how it worked for me. Good luck.|
|Posted by: Tara June 16, 2015, 8:49 PM|
|I've been on suboxone for 6+ yrs. I swallow them every single day.. I've dissolved them a few times, never seemed different.
|Posted by: travis December 26, 2015, 5:56 PM|
|I've been on suboxone about 3 months. They say it is less affective if you swallow. Sometimes though once it starts to dissolve I end up swallowing it in accident. Still seems to work for me though bit who knows could b placebo. Could b I'm so used to them I don't notice much difference
|Posted by: Jacqueline McDougall Anderson January 17, 2016, 8:40 AM|
|Hi I really love some of the quotes I read, brilliant keep writing.
Spread hugs not drugs 💐💖 xx happy being clean nearly 9months. Yippee.
Stay strong and positive, honesty is the best policy.🌴🌊🌴.xx
|Posted by: Kris March 26, 2016, 5:06 PM|
I think your missing the point. The first comment you added was not very nice. The person taking 16mg a day supervised is trying not to take as much because she feels the effects highly and needs to reduce. Her Dr is retarded. 8mg is a high dose in itself. 16 is to the point of being high. Now if you were taking saboxone for chemical dependency treatment and we're taking 16MG a day, and getting high.. don't you think a reduction would be necessary? Or should she up the patients dose and get her even higher and more hooked on a substanc? That seems counter productive to keep her taking the same dose over time. The whole point of saboxone is to ween people off so they are dependent on air and water instead of a pill.
|Posted by: sodonewithsubox April 4, 2016, 12:47 PM|
|well i came on this morning to get some advise but i see there are no recent posts. last i see are from 2012.... i have been on suboxon strips for about 4 years. i started on 2 strips and it was awful. i could not think or focus or sometinmes even speak. I became dependent on percoset after being injured and during that time i had a horrible tragedy in my life. and unbearable tragedy of the life of my newphew / godson who drowned a few days before his 2nd birthday. in the monthes after i became more dependent on the percoset for my nerves and not so much pain except for the devesatating pain in my heart. shortly after i found out my husband was having a full blown affair. It was all enough to make me terribly horribly depressed.
I went to a doctor because i could not and did not want to take any more drugs. I needed to be a wife and more so mother and to get my life back on track. i would like to say it was all my husbands fault but it was not. and through love, hope and God we are stronger today than ever and married over 25 years. when i first went for treatment, i hated talking with the Dr. he said that i thought of myself as a person who was too perfect to ever be caught up in something like being dependent on drugs as well as other things.. weather true or not is does not matter, i was and i hated myself. I know the subox has helped me more so with my depression (as i am told it is used in other countried to treat anxiety and severe depression. I had no use nor urges to continue using percoset once i realized i had bevome someone horrible. So..... i recently have cut back from my 8mg/2mg strip to taking a quarter of it for the main reason it suddenly makes me sick to my stomaach and even the thought of taking it makes me gag. i put the small piece under my tongue wait for saliva to fill and swallow with a glass of juice. it is the only way i can get it down without vomiting it up. I have NO IDEA why this has happend and practically overnight. I so want to be done with it because i am on other meds for depression and i would rather just be on them. Life is good, life is very good now and i sometimes wonder if its not physcological that my body does not want it. i am hoping that me swallowing it for the most part eventhough it starts out under my tongue is helping and i do have to say "for the record, i think it still works" so just like there are good and bad stories about coming off of the suboxon and everyone reacts differently i also think that by swallowing it after a few seconds under the tongue to be just as effective for me - not everyone is the same
|Posted by: Sunshine143 April 19, 2016, 1:13 PM|
I don't know where to go. I'm nervous. I'm hoping someone will be willing to listen to me and give me advice. Ive been on suboxone a little over a month im on 8mg 3 times a day. Is that a lot. I was addicted to Percocet I took 11_14 Percocet 10 mg in a day. I just need someone to talk to. I find myself taking more than prescribed on some days quite a few. Why?I have more questions if anyone is willing to listen. Im 31 and a mother of 2.
|Posted by: shay April 22, 2016, 9:04 PM|
|I take the same amount as you daily not to mention a little more sometimes because I am prescribed sub/ and tex at the moment its a fluke it will quit soon but. I swallow my sub and do the tex completely different. I put the sub in coffe though I still feel it but im not sure if that could be why I need three a day or not? idk I'm struggling as well with my recovery and am about to have my first child as well so im trying my best just wanted to let you know you are not alone I take 3 a day and maybe 2 more sometimes ...|
|Posted by: bryan1128 April 22, 2016, 9:27 PM|
|24mg of suboxone a day is quite a bit. Let me put it into perspective for you...
My drug of choice was heroin, 1-2 grams a day. I was only on 6mg a day when I started. It took me about 15 months to finally taper down and jump. I'm not a doctor and every case is different. That just seems kinda careless on the doctors part, in my opinion.
Dissolving and drinking the suboxone is probably not the best of idea's to be honest. Suboxone contains naloxone which will essentially block the bupe from working. It's designed like that to prevent people from not taking it as prescribed which is under the tongue. So yeah, if you're taking it any other way then as prescribed then you're hurting yourself more than anything.
Also, you mentioned you are pregnant. I'm assuming your doctor knows this? Suboxone withdrawal is no joke, far worse than oxy withdrawal or even heroin withdrawal in my opinion. On top of that, it last a really long time in comparison. I guess I'm just concerned of the withdrawal your baby will have to go through with mama being on such a large dose.
Also, bupe has a ceiling affect at 32mg.
I've assumed this whole time but let me just ask the question... this suboxone that you're taking is it supervised by a doctor or are you getting it off the streets and self medicating?
|Posted by: JaySon October 18, 2016, 10:37 PM|
|I don't like the taste of it so I will try to swallow it tonight and I have 2 8mg strips. I have been on 30mg oxy for about 2 years now, this is what I'm gonna try to use to get completely off of everything. I want this so bad I know I will make it work. I expect some bad days and I'll take that because I put myself here. I wish the best for all of you and anybody else going through this ugly addiction. Hope this works for me and also you. Good luck guys and God Bless|
|Posted by: Kimberly October 29, 2016, 10:36 PM|
|I have a question for you, WHEN YOU SWALLOWED THE SUBOXONE, DID YOU NOTICE ANY DIFFERENCE? I feel like you have the answer to your own question. Unfortunately, I only have a two week script and dont have any to experiment with that is why I am searching the internet for an answer. I thought the purpose or concept was to be absorbed quickly to stop the cravings for the opiate and to quickly relieve the withdraw symptoms. Time for me is not a concern at this point I gag easily over taste and smells I find myself gagging the entire time its dissolving under my tongue|
|Posted by: Jovi Girl January 8, 2017, 6:35 PM|
|Sinead, I absolutely had to reply to your comment because what cowgirl said not only PISSED ME OFF!! But her comment is not only offensive but COMPLETELY INACURATE
but first let me say that SWALLOWING sub, WILL NOT have the same effect....not by a long shot! It's actually only about 6% effective if swallowed. The reason it needs to be under the tongue is because it goes directly into your bloodstream through all the veins that are located under your tongue. I just started sub so I did a bunch of homework, and asked my pharmacist, my nurse, and my pharmacist.
So, Sinead I'm going to get to an accurate answer for you in a minute but first, I want to address her comments!! Cowgirl, obviously you're not paying attention!! Because this girl is being "force-fed" 16mg of a substance that she feels IS WAY TOO HIGH!! She wants to take LESS than a whopping 16 mg dose!
She's not trying to "cheat" anything! She's not trying to get high! She's not trying to manipulate or lie her way into instant gratification! Actually, quite on the contrary...she's trying to lower her dosage so that she can be on her way to kicking suboxone all together! AND I THINK SHE IS AWESOME FOR DOING THAT!! Because "addictive behaviour" might be someone that bulls***s their way into saying they need MORE of a substance! Not LESS!!
YOU ARE THE PATIENT!! PERIOD!! .... At some point, people need to listen to their own bodies and their own concerns instead of a doctor who has a FINANCIAL GAIN into keeping you addicted!! (Yeah, nobody is even thinking about that factor)
AS A PATIENT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE IN WHOLE, OR IN PART, ANY MEDICATION OR TREATMENT YOU DONT FEEL IS SAFE, OR CONDUSIVE TO YOUR HEALTH AND YOUR WELL BEING!!!
BUT BEFORE ANYBODY JUMPS DOWN MY THROAT.....I want to make it crystal clear that I am IN NO WAY suggesting that you not listen to your doctor in any way shape or form!! I am simply telling you what your LEGAL RIGHTS are!
So if you want to tell your doctor that being on 16 mg is way too f***ing much, and you don't want to be taking a very high dose of a SEVERELY ADDICTIVE SUBSTANCE!! Than knock yourself out!! He/she can't say s*** to you to force you to take a high dose that you OBVIOUSLY don't even need!!
Also....here's the other piece.... SUBOXONE IS USED FOR WITHDRAWL SIMPTOMS!! ....if you're taking 8 mg, AND FEEL FINE.....THAN YOU DONT NEED TO BE "FORCE-FED" A WHOPPING DOUBLE DOSE WHEN YOU DONT NEED IT!!
Also....I wanna finish my rant by saying this
I LIVE IN CANADA
AND MY CANADIAN DOCTOR STOPPED RISING MY DOSE WHEN I STARTED SUB....THE SECOND I TOLD HIM I DONT WANNA TAKE ANY HIGHER THAN 10mg!
He wanted to go up to a possible 16!.... BUT I TOLD HIM I DID NOT WANT TO!! I told him I was feeling perfectly fine at 10! I told him that I wasn't feeling the withdrawal simptoms all that much! And I wanted to STOP at 10!
I AM THE PATIENT.....I HAVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE THE EXTRA 6 mg THAT HE WANTED TO PRESCRIBE TO ME! And he said fine! Because he's the doctor! But I'm the f***ing patient! And it's my body!
I cannot believe the f***ed up doctors in America! They will DO, AND SAY AAAAANYTHING TO MAKE MONEY.....INCLUDING KEEPING YOU HOOKED ON MEDS
Hun, If you don't want it....refuse it! You don't have to take anything over 8mg if you don't want to!! .....and btw....I think IT'S GREAT that you want to take 8 so that you can be on your way to kicking this garbage all together.... I've only been on it for one week....and I didn't want to go higher than 10 because I know how DIFFICULT it is to get off this very dangerous substance. Good for you. And don't let cowgirl influence your decision, your legal rights....and especially your well being, by saying offensive, TOTALLY INACURATE bulls*** to you!! ...
All the best darling
|Posted by: Connie January 30, 2017, 12:52 PM|
|I've been on suboxone a few times and I started out doing it under my tongue but the taste of the strip is so nasty to me that it started making me vomit..... So I roll it up in a little ball and swallow it like a pill. I can't say that I've noticed it be any more or less effective swallowing it.
I maybe wrong and so I wish I could handle the taste... But I think it works about the same. The only problem I'm having is that it worked wonders the first 6 months and by the end of the 7th month to now it's just not helping me like it was before and that's concerning me because I'm afraid I may break and try pain pills again. Anyone have any good feedback? I don't know how I will get notified of a response on here...
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|Posted by: Sickandsorrynurse February 7, 2017, 6:44 PM|
|Just started Suboxone, (well actually Zubsolv), today. I'm coming off of methadone-Zubsolv didn't help-i called my dr office & he said it can take a couple of doses to feel better. I'm scared as anything b/c I've gone without methadone (26 mg), for 4 days & kind of expected this to help & it didn't.|
|Posted by: Timdogg February 14, 2017, 1:32 PM|
|Hi, I'm just posting on here in hopes that it may help someone else. I have been an addict for 18 yrs. I dabbled in a little of everything, but opiates are my drug of choice. I've been to rehab many times, of free will and not my choice both. Over the years I've finally realized that the only way I stay clean is with suboxone. When taken as directed and with good support, for me it's a miracle drug. Like other people have said, it affects everyone differently. So don't listen to everything you hear or read. Try a program and if it's not working, tweak it till it does. I've been on it for quite a while now, and my key is consistentsy. Same time everyday, and planning to make sure you keep the schedule even if you are away from home. As human beings we are creatures of habit, and as addicts any disruption of our routine can put us into a downward spiral. I've had it all and lost all, many times over. Just don't get overwhelmed or impatient! It does take time and hard work to get all the good back in your life, but only a moment and one time picking up to lose it all again. Stay strong, and support each other. Not just on here, but everyday life as well. God loves us all!|
|Posted by: Bodi Wayne February 14, 2017, 4:28 PM|
|Is there anyone still on this thread at all? I'm recovering from opiate addiction and am on 8mg 3xday. When a dose is referred to as 16mg.. is that 8mg twice daily? Also I'm prescribed Buprenorphine . How long will I have to wait before I can begin to step myself down? I know everyone is different but surely by now we have an average we can assess .?|
|Posted by: Guest July 14, 2017, 6:41 PM|
|Just a note, I'm older now, which makes no difference to addiction. In my late 20's I went to a court ordered rehab, in lue of another 5 yrs in prison. I stayed for 15 mos with o ly one attempt at leaving in the early part of the program. I stayed clean from heroin, Coke, speed, all substances for over twenty years. Then after a 14 year marriage went thru an ugly, ugly divorce and had an injury at work. Without question my Dr automatically put me on Percocet. After so long out of the loop I really had no clue what I was taking. Then someone gave me an oxycodone and it was on from there. Addiction in full swing.
I'm finally getting tired again, they're getting too hard to get legally and spend too much money buying them. So now I'm waiting for my Dr to get his Suboxone license and I'll try kicking from there.
|Posted by: fitz September 1, 2017, 2:54 PM|
|s***. just swallowed my only half..but when i was active on 150mg of percs a day id have broke days obviously find sub on the street, swallow a quarter and feel amazing..soo idk wtf all you guys are talking about. as far as listening to SUBOX docs...dnt. Most just play a money game i mean ur on 16mg a day..it gonna be along road for you and job security for doc. orginally was made to be taken fr 7 days one..until some greedy prick saw he make more money and insure job security...MY FIRST OPIATE CAME FROM A DOCTOR...who to blame for posioning u.s.kids.. perc epidemic and getting the at local pharmacy
|Posted by: Guest May 15, 2018, 2:57 PM|
|The only reason they have you dissolve Suboxone under your tongue is so it hits your bloodstream faster otherwise you should be fine your stomach acid will dissolve the Suboxone it just may take a little bit longer. But it’s acid so probably not|
|Posted by: aaf September 25, 2018, 6:14 PM|
|it does not matter what your counselor is saying she is not the one taking the suboxone. everyone eventually has to get off it believe me the clinic i am at we have people who are in their 50's and 60's who are still on 16 mg strips its ridiculous focus on your body and its response to it half is physical half is psychological reduce down to 12 then 8... Please do that.|
|Posted by: Rossdal7 April 26, 2020, 7:36 PM|
|I am not sure. I read the packaging and it says to put under the tongue or in the cheek. I would imagine it would not work as it should by swallowing. I'm not a dr though|