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Posted by: Believeinyourself27 May 7, 2017, 12:40 AM
Hi everyone! First I'd like to thank everyone I. Advance to any and all responses I receive. This post may be long and I am new to posting. I have been browsing the internet for a while now, reading any and all forums I could find. Here is my story - I'm 28 years old, and I am currently addicted to heroin. I first tried it September 2017. I have tried to stop twice, with suboxen. I never got past day three both times. Since​ the last time I have been googling and researching how to properly induct.. the second time, I was thrown into PWs and I waited 16 hours.. so I went and used and it took it away instantly. Now I am terrified to try again but so desperately want to. Here's the problem- I work Mon-Fri and have a 5 yr old little girl in kindergarten who I raise alone. Aside from my boyfriend who is a huge help, but he too is addicted and is the reason I ever tried it.. I can get into that later, that really isnt the important part right now. He will take the suboxen when I do and follow suite. So basically I am left to try this again on weekends only because this cannot affect my job. We decided to try this coming Friday. Having Friday be our last day of use and induct Saturday morning. I have read everything and anything I could about induction and I am still terrified! I need support, I need people to talk me through this.. my boyfriend is not the best at supporting me. I need help, I want help.. but I cannot go to a Dr. I do have enough suboxen from when I found my boyfriend a Dr last year.. so we have enough subs to do this. So my question is this.... Will suboxen work this time? What did I do wrong? Can you guys help me, walk me through, talk to me, support me.. 😢 I feel so alone. I have never been in such a dark place before this. This is not me, I am not meant to be in the drug life.. I am physically dependant and deathly afraid of withdrawls.. please any help, advice.. anything is much appreciated! God bless you guys.

Posted by: Believeinyourself27 May 7, 2017, 3:28 PM
Can anybody give me some advice? Any experiences you went through with suboxone induction?

Posted by: lolleedee May 8, 2017, 4:58 PM
I'm sorry to hear what you are going through! I had tried Suboxone various times in my addiction history so I will tell you what little I know. In the interest of full disclosure, I use methadone as a tool of my recovery.

I would NEVER recommend doing an induction without a doctor's supervision!! Ever! You can read tons of stuff online, but they are ancedotal accounts at best and horribly dangerous ideas at worst! Why won't you go to a doctor for treatment with Suboxone?

I had tried Suboxone three times during my years of addiction, but by the time the medication was available, my habit was too large for Suboxone to be effective. Even at 32mgs, which was the highest they would go, I was still in full-blown withdrawals. Methadone, being a full agonist, was a much better choice for my addiction history, which included many years on high dose pain management.

The one thing I can say from personal experience and from watching others induce, is you are not waiting long enough to induct. Some people are able to use on Fridaay and induct on Saturday, but most people need at full 48-72 hours in withdrawal before induction. You have to be really in hard withdrawals before you use it. As an addict, I thought every withdrawal was "full-blown"! That is why you need a doctor to induct you...they can look at you and your symptoms objectively and measure things such as respirations, heart rate, blood pressure, pupil movement etc. They aren't feeling it so they can be more objective. They use a scale called COWS score. Again, I do not recommend scoring yourself. When we get sick, we are thinking of nothing but relief and are in no position to judge our physical symptoms objectively.

Let us know how you are doing! Suboxone can be a great tool, but you will need a comprehensive recovery plan to get into a stable and happy recovery!

Posted by: Kait32 May 9, 2017, 5:52 PM
I was just inducted on Monday under Dr.'s supervision. They do use the COWSscale and as the other person said, I probably wouldn't have rated myself objectively as I was miserable and just wanted relief. I would HIGHLY encourage you to not do this alone to avoid PW. IF you decide to do so, possibly have someone else rate you. You should fall in moderate/severe WD (I believe 25+) to start. Wish you the very best!

Posted by: beliveinyourself27 May 9, 2017, 9:37 PM
Kait32 thank you for the response. First, how are you feeling? Congrats on your road to recovery! If you don't mind me asking what was your typical use? I.e snort? Shooting? How much? Ect... When you got inducted how long after your last use did you take the suboxen? And how did you feel? I'm scared but this must be done. I don't want anything in the system which is why I am choosing to do this alone. No body knows of my use besides my boyfriend... I've been using since September..

Posted by: Brandon8 May 10, 2017, 7:28 AM
Hey there. Try not to worry. Subs are very powerful. If you must induce on your own make sure you have withdrawls set in. So if Saturday morning is when the induction is then you will have to do your heroine Friday morning for the last time.
On Saturday wait till you can't take it anymore. Then start off with 2mg. Wait at least 1 and a half to 2 hours to see how you feel. If you feel a little better but still feel withdraws then take another 2mg. Repeat till you get your dose comfortable. 8mg may do the job for the first 3 days. Then taper off fast. Try and see how you feel. Don't worry about withdraws I'm sure you've had them before. Good luck.

Posted by: Believeinyourself27 May 10, 2017, 6:40 PM
Brandon- I don't know if I can go all through Friday and not use esp. go to sleep Friday night with my last use being used in the morning... What if I did just a little bit to get me through Friday night? I usually start to feel like s*** 8 ish hours later.. I'm terrified. I don't know how to take away this anxiety. My boyfriend is stating his induction as well Saturday. So I assume him and I will be keeping our distance through out the house Saturday. He gets super cranky and quiet.. so we shall see. Is there anything you suggest I go out and by anything over the counter to help with pain? The thing I cannot handle is the hot flashes and my Legs hurt so bad. Those are the only withdrawals I ever have really felt before. Aside from a little stomach cramping and horrible anxiety. Like I mentioned above I have some gabepentin. Do you know if those are helpful? Also have some trazadone. Any other advice? This has to be done... I'm 110 percent mind set, Friday is our last use. This weekend is going to be miserable.. I have become obsessed reading these posts.. it's all I do when I'm not at work or cooking dinner or getting my daughter ready for bed ECT ECT. They help me so I might be addicted to reading this weekend lol. Also it's mothers day weekend and my daughter is going to stay the night at my mom's Friday and Saturday night ( my mom knows nothing of my use ) so Sunday we will have dinner and I'm hoping it will help me feel better getting out of the house Sunday evening for a bit and then I will go back to work Monday... Is there any hope that I may not feel any withdrawals with taking the suboxen? I only plan on taking very little amount to get me through detox then stop taking it. I do not want to be on subs. Will I detox off of those also? Thanks !

Posted by: Jessica May 10, 2017, 10:43 PM
From my own experience, my doctor put me on Subutex to begin with. It's the same buprenorphine in Suboxone, but without the naloxone. From my understanding the naloxone is the blocker that will induce wd if taken with any other opiates. I was only on Subutex a short while before switching to strips. Good luck and congrats on your recovery!

Posted by: Brandon8 May 11, 2017, 1:32 PM
Hey there. Don't worry really. If you have suboxone ýou won't need anything else. I think you won't get dependant on subs if your using short term. They are not addictive in my opinion. Sounds like a good plan you have. , good luck . But keep updating.