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Grandson On Drugs, We Need Help To Help Him
Grandma
Posted: April 2, 2006, 11:06 PM







My grandson has asked for help (again) He has found a clinic that uses Suboxone. He wants me to pay the $1000 up front to get started. I'm almost 70 and I can't for the life of me see where using one drug to get off another makes any sense. I've read the posts and it sounds like Suboxone has been a God send for you all but I'm from the age point that grew up knowing if it sounded to good to be true it probably was and th is sounds to good to be true.Also my grandson doesn't stick with things. He was on a program for a few weeks that used Suboxone and he quit because when he went to get his pills he had to go to a meeting and it was boring because all they did was talk about drugs. I want to help him so I'm asking and praying that perhaps one of you has some ideas for me to help my grandson. God Bless you all and success and a good life to you.

Grandma
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Posted: April 2, 2006, 11:15 PM


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Grandma, Hi

I guess my question is why did he stop the first time? Did he pay $1,000 then too?

I think the initial office visit is typically 280 to 300 dollars then the prescription is about 300?

Did he find a place that doesnt require the classes now?

I do not think of it as a drug. I think of it as a tool to get clean. You do not have the fear of being SICK and not being able to function. You do not get high but he DOES need support other than the pill. He needs saftey measures so he doesnt resume using. This could get really expensive for you if he keeps quitting. This is a serious issue and if they require classes then maybe he can suck it up and go if he wants to stay out of jails institutions or die??i

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Posted: April 2, 2006, 11:17 PM


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Grandma, you are right.

Suboxone is not a miracle. Suboxone is an effective method for coming off drugs, or for reducing the harm that drugs do, but for it to be any use it requires the addict to be commited to recovery.

It doesnt work if you dont take it, it doesnt work if you take it the wrong way. If you stop taking Suboxone it does nothing to keep you clean or to stop you from taking drugs. If he isnt prepared to do anything positive to aid his recovery then dont waste a cent on Suboxone because it will achieve nothing.

For someone who is commited to recovery and has a solid plana d strategfies to stay clean in the long run, Suboxone is an excellent tool to help them achieve their goals.


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Wiversen
Posted: April 2, 2006, 11:21 PM







Thank you so much. We live in an area where info is hard to come by and something about this particular program that he found just doesn't sit well. You also gave me some good questions to ask him. Thanks and Blessings to you.

Grandma
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Posted: April 2, 2006, 11:29 PM


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Come back and ask any questions you want. I personally (44 yrs old) think the sub is a FANTASTIC program. THERE are butts about it though and think your g-son needs to find out if it is something he will stay on and do something to stay OFF the drugs once he is off suboxone.

First time I ever saw that? You didnt have to change your name to reply to me...all you have to do is write wiversen in the subject. So you can go back to being grandma now!!!!!

I think it is reallly really kind of you to do this and check it out. The pupose is to get him thru withdrawls without pain. That in itself is tremendous. But they wont take you back again, back again and he needs to think in the terms that this is his last shot this way.

Next time it will be cold turkey, chills, bodyaches, vomiting, no sleeping for days, probably wont work for at least a week. He may have complications going CT (not sure what or how much he is taking) He may end up in the hospital. Make sure he knows that this is one chance, he cant blow it and he has to do everything they require.

What was he on and how much was he using?

This post has been edited by wiversen on April 2, 2006, 11:31 PM

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Posted: April 3, 2006, 8:50 AM


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Grandma,

I too am a grandma. But I am a grandma using Suboxone to help me recover from a terrible pain pill addiction. It has helped me tremendously. But, I certainly realize your concern. In the past I tried to kick the pills without subs & I just couldn't do it. Mind you...I still have a long way to go because it has only been 7 weeks, but I really can't imagine going back to taking Lortabs.

I was fortunate, my initial visit was only 75.00 & each subsequent visit is 40.00.
That is not the big expense. The big expense is the medicine itself. I am not insured & it's all a cash thing. Last week, when I bought my Rx for # 50/ 8 mg. tablets & it was around 220.00. Of course the larger quanity you buy ...the less each pill costs. This was the first time that I had been given that many but it will be almost 4 weeks until I have another visit. If you are on a limited income, this can be a problem. I know that you'd do anything that you could for your grandson but you hate to waste the money if he doesn't stick with it.
Speaking for myself...I am sticking with it. It has been a great tool to allow me to "stop & smell the roses" for the first time in many years and actually realize what I have been doing without thinking only of how many Lortabs I had on hand or how I would get my next supply. It is miserable to live that way.

How old is your grandson? Does he have a wife...children? Does he have a job?
Just wondering.

My prayers are with you. I hope that he does well & hope that you feel better about making a decision on what to do. Good luck honey!
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Posted: April 3, 2006, 9:03 AM


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Grandma do a little research before donating 1000$ let me preface what Silent Partner said (SEAN) is the best advice you will get.

I was put on Suboxone by a addiction specialist. 21 days of outpatient therapy daily urine tests AA meetings a real program. after the 21 days I have been seeing my doctor for 19+ months now. But I wanted off the pills Badly.

Due to 2 surgeries had to go back on suboxone. Currently I am on a small dosage for chronic pain. Its a wonderful drug if used correctly.

If your grandson has a serious drug problem does he want to stop? You cannot help him until he is ready to stop.

Grandma they call this hitting a bottom. If you want to help him you must not enable him at all to continue his drug use. He must fend for himself.

Can you go to a alanon meeting? The people there can help you and advise you how to handle your situation.

How old is your grandson?

Jeff

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Grandma
Posted: April 3, 2006, 11:02 AM







Dear WIVERSEN, The Silent Partner, getinbetternow and Suboxman:

I started this with Dear because to me that is what you are, I can't tell you how much what each of you had to say means to me.

My grandson is on Lortab, he says he usually takes about 10 a day. We did do things the way he wanted the first time and that was GT at home (his parents home) we thought it had worked but recently found out he had been back on the Lortab and had turned himself into the Pavillion for an outpatient program. He stayed on the program for 4-5 weeks and then quit. He said he quit because he couldn't take all the sitting around listening to people talk about drugs. His mother didn't know he had quit before the end of the program. I didn't even know he was in a program, they didn't want to upset me, nice for sure but I can take it and I've made that clear this time around.

It's hard to tell if he really means it this time. If someone who doesn't know him were to look and listen to him I'm sure they would think he is very serious. He always looks for the easy way and quite a bit of what he's saying now makes me think this time is no different. He has a job, he lives with his girl friend (she's not taking drugs) and for two years she has paid all the bills and he spends his money on his car and drugs. Things have changed in as much as now he spends his money on drugs and then maybe his car.

First time around his parents paid off all his bills which now are all back in full force and he's hoping they will get paid off once again. Things have been slow for my daughter and husband, they own their own business and they are having a tough time just doing their own bills. I've paid off his car a year or so ago to try to get him on an even keel and it didn't work so no more bill paying for me.

My grandson is 24 years old and we feel like if we can't help save him this time we will lose him for good. One of the things I haven't mentioned is that My husband was an alcoholic, a Navy Medic and ran a drug program on several military bases so most of this is pretty familiar territory for me but not for my daughter (not her dad that was the alcoholic). He died at 50 from all the problems that come from alcohol and it wasn't pretty and we really want to help my grandson to not end up doing the same thing. We know we can't do it but we don't know how much we can do before we are enabling. Lord I'm as mouthy on paper as I am in person.

I for some reason had forgotton about Alanon and will check that out when I finish this, they were a help to me years ago.

I just talked to the doctors office and the $1000 is for the first 4 weeks. It covers the Suboxone he will need and visits with a shrink (can't be sure I'm spelling physciatrist right and don't want to embarass myself, I'm really trying to keep a sense of humor) After the first four weeks as a rule the insurance will kick in and cover most of the costs. His insurance did pay for the first program he was in so I'm not sure they will pay again. I know my insuranace would not pay for another program but we are hoping his will.

You all have really gone a long way in helping and giving hope to an old lady. I'm 25 in my mind and heart but after 20 years of 24/7 pain from Fibromyalgia I sure don't act like 25, even walking is a problem.

OK you all I'm off to a meeting with the doctor at the clinic for some more info. Again I can't thank you enough and my prayers are with you that you all continue to have the success you have worked so hard for.

Grateful Grandma

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Posted: April 3, 2006, 11:09 AM


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Dear Grandma

Let him figure this out for himself. If he wants it bad enough he can sell his car :)

best wishes to you

Sean

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Posted: April 3, 2006, 12:07 PM


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Hi Grandma,
I am a mom of a 20year old who is addicted to crack....
Also my husband is on sub as a way to take his life back.....
I read this whole thread and one thing stands out the fear of losing him if you don't help this time......
There is one thing that is the truth with this, when he is ready he will find a way. Nothing but nothing, no amount of rehab, meetings, sub, methadone, will make him any more ready.
You can tell him how much you love him, hug him...and from there pray.
After that I am not sure there is anything we can do for them as they are more than capable of taking care of themselves. They find a way to feed thier habit, they can surely find a way to get it gone.....
One thing he can look into. Locally in some counties in the US, ( hoping this is where you live) there are programs designed for certain age groups that are usually funded by the state. ( in NJ where I live my county has one for just 18-24 year olds, seperate from what the state funds) He will not get sub this way, but he may be able to get into detox, which some use sub to take the worst away, or into rehab again.......His first call should be to the Dept. of Health and Human services form there they can guide him to what is available in state, and locally.......
He needs to do this himself. It works better when they make the effort.....
I will send some prayer for all of you.
Please remember to take good care of yourself and try not to worry....I know easier said than done.
Hugs,
Tina


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Posted: April 3, 2006, 12:25 PM


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Dear Grandma:

Please do not waste your money. Go to Alanon. Your grandson is a big boy. He will eventually wear out all of his enablers. Do not become one -PLEASE--let him fall.

I know its not easy watching a loved one basically play russian roullete with his life daily but this is an addicts choice.

You cant SAVE him. You will be wasting your money grandma. Save it until he falls. Let him help himself. He can find a REHAB.

I know its hard but leave it be and go to alanon.

Keep posting---Jeff.





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Posted: April 3, 2006, 12:55 PM


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Grandma,
I agree with Suboxman & the others...he is a big boy. He is gonna have to go to meetings or therapy because the Subs aren't a cure , only a tool to help you get your life back together. They have surely helped me...this board has helped me....my family's love has helped me. But...they haven't had to give me the money to do this. My husband & I are in business for ourselves as well & I know how that is. It might be a good thing for him to have to give up something that is precious to him...like his car in order to pay for this help. Otherwise, he may take it for granted. I know that it is hard to not want to just give in & give it to him but it may mean more & he may be less likely to go back to the Lortabs
if he has to do without his car! Then, he'd have to get his life back on track to be able to afford another "precious" car. I know how the young boys are about their vehicles.

And I hope that you have a easier time with your pain. My mom had that as well as rheumatoid arthritis & I know how she suffered.

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Posted: April 3, 2006, 1:47 PM







Grandma----the thousand dollar program is expensive, but seeing what-all it covers, it might be the right thing for your grandson.
The reason I'm saying this is--he has to see a shrink, and I'm assuming that's private sessions-(not groups)?
I've been to a few different suboxone doctors, and checked on other's programs, and one thing I can tell you is that they all have different ways of doing this.
Some require groups-which your grandson says he didn't like, some require private counseling, some require nothing except cash.
In your grandson's case, I think one that requires urine-tests might be helpfull.
-to keep him on track. A lot of them ask for that.
10 lortabs a day is not a very high narcotic habit, by the way, but it is way too much motrin or tylenol--(whatever they mix-in with the dope).
Suboxone is a much stronger narcotic, but it is being used a lot for lortab + pain pill addiction in the US.
There is also another medicine called naloxone, which has no opiates in it, that some addicts take after detoxifying. It blocks the effect of narcotics if someone would happen to take it-so if someone wanted to get high, or relapse, they would have to wait untill the naloxone wears-off.
It's a tool that makes someone put-off the impulse to take something, hopefully learning how to handle that feeling. I don't know what the side-effects or risks are with naloxone, but he is risking his health anyhow if he continues on the path of drug-abuse.
I hope his respect for what you're doing for him helps him get clean!
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