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The "thomas Recipe"
Posted: August 11, 2012, 1:01 AM


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Hello everyone,
I had never heard of the Thomas Recipe before so I did some reasearch. I found a few. The one I found for opiate addiction recommended using Valium. Now I know Valium is a benzodiazipine however it is still a narcotic. I can go along with the nutritional supplements however using a narcotic for withdrawals struck me wrong.
Maybe I am from the old school and things have changed.
If I had to go through withdrawls using 10mg Valiums, I'd be withdrawalling all the time.
Making an easier softer withdrawal from drugs probably wouldn't have stopped me when it did. How bad it got from the drug addiction and the withdrawals is something that keeps me from relapsing.
They say getting off drugs is the easy part, it is the staying off thats the hard part. I guess now a days it is easy to get off drugs, just use Valium?
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Posted: August 11, 2012, 9:41 AM


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I agree with you but some really bad alcholoics need a benzo to stop the DT's,which can be deadly.Except maybe I'm old school but I though thsy used Librium.Another issue with the Thomas Recipe is doing it on your own.A pill bottle of Valium in my house would not turn out well.

The main reason I liked it was the suplement routine and I would get them on line because GMC is overpriced and Natures Pride is about half what they cost.

But you are right,unless you start having seizures or DT's I don't thing adding additionnal drugs is very smart and also telling a bunch of addicts to only take two the firts day and titrate from there in thoeory is good,but I'd hit the valium first and maybe take 5-10 and try to sleep through the messy part....good luck on that one.You not only have residuual detox but a valium hangover.But I never followed dirctions on that kind of s*** anyway.

BTW...I have some full bottes of some ot those supplents,I'd be more than happy to mail you.
It's called Nature's Pride and they are cheap.




Other than than that "The Thomas Recipe has some good sound advise.

This post has been edited by Tim L on August 11, 2012, 10:05 AM
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Posted: August 11, 2012, 10:13 AM


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I never heard of this recipe. All I know is I never used oxycontin nor had ever abused opiates--Started on 10 mg of oxy and it was all over. 10 mg of any drug seemed to end up in a toxic amount for me.

Benzos are so addicted. I started with dalmane at 15 and been on and off benzos 30 years--it took a slow wean but I did it. Its difficult mentally--anxiety etc--but with the right support you can get off anything.

But just my experience--i would not experiment with any benzos or C/T without a doctor /detox

Not sure how many people have gone C/But I would need a drip to go back to sleep.

Good Luck--

Jeff

This post has been edited by Suboxman on August 11, 2012, 10:14 AM

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Posted: August 11, 2012, 11:20 AM


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I really believe in The Thomas Recipe: it is generally a help.

The Valium (if you are an alcoholic) can be very important. BUT, of course benzos are addictive to some people and as I understand, THE WORST withdrawals. I have had a prescription for years (which I have since cancelled) but it never did anything for me, really so I hardly used it-ever.

For Dnester, or anyone drinking a fifth a day of hard liquor, I would say a Dr. or a rehab is a very good idea. Failing that I would go with having the valium.

If it is just a sleep issue, I found Melatonin (natural-available at Whole Foods) worked, as did Benadryl. Also at whole Foods, they have an electrolyte combo (Calcium, Magnesium, Potassium) which I take anyway, but going through de-tox it helps a LOT with cramps and RLS if you have that.
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Posted: August 11, 2012, 2:00 PM


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Replacing one pill to get off another is the definition of insanity to me. And I'm talking about benzo's to get off of opiates. You may have an easier withdrawal, but then you have an addiction to benzo's, which in my opinion, are more deadly and harder to get off of then the opiates. It's just a never ending circle. What's next? Get off the benzo's with opiates? Geesh.

Of course, for alcoholics, it's different. But they aren't taking opiates. Or maybe they are.

Anyway, common sense here should prevail. Diet and nutrition, excersize and good face to face support is what's going to help keep you clean. And it's not going to happen overnight, and it will be years of work. Never letting your guard down. At least, for me, that's what it is.

And it is what it is.

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Posted: August 11, 2012, 4:10 PM


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I know Lisa. I think Valium should only be used for severe alcohol withdrawal, and if it is that severe you should probably be under medical care.

Benzos...I just never got it I guess. As Tim said, I probably had too much resistance (those 3-Martini lunches in NYC...ah, those were the days! Hardly see anyone take anything other than a glass of wine these days. Jeez, if I did that I would need the rest of the afternoon LOL, and then go home...
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Posted: August 11, 2012, 5:20 PM


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Yes Tim, you are right. Librium "was" used. I was a nurse in the medical ward years back and we would give them a cocktail of Librium and what we called the "banana bag" with thiamine, folic acid, potassium and a bunch of other nutrients. It had a distinctive yellow color and smelled very strong. lol
Thanks for the input . "Thomas " recipe has been mentioned a few times in recent posts. As with the amino acids, it is an option and with MY experience, strength and hope-wouldn't endorse it.
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Posted: August 11, 2012, 10:35 PM


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I've been using the Thomas Recipe for 6 days now. I've mentioned that my physical wd symptoms have been pretty much non-existent. I have been taking .5 mg of klonopin for about 3 years to treat insomnia. I've been taking the exact same dose throughout these 6 days. I've never even considered my klonopin a "fun" drug. It makes me fall asleep and nothing else. I think that people who know they enjoy benzos should probably substitute with some other sleep aid. From what i've read, the insomnia that comes from withdrawal is one of the worst things ever. The klonopin is probably the main reason I haven't experienced the insomnia. However, if I were at all concerned that the benzo thing could turn into another addiction, I would have gone with some other OTC sleep aide, like Unisom or even melatonin or valerian root.
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Posted: August 11, 2012, 11:00 PM


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NYC were all different--in 2004 -2006-I was on suboxone and my addiction specialist told me .5 -1mg maxx of Klonopin as needed was okay --Lied to my doc I was on toxic amounts of xanax Lied about all my drug/alcohol history--

The klonopin got me down and eventually off it totally--It is a good med if used as directed.

My Doctor as I got honest was not really happy using it----as I am an addict--and she had no clue I was drinking (Binges) that could have killed me--But that was and is ME not YOU--only you know if your clean --.5 mg of klonopin is a low safe amount-

all of us are different and if your being honest about your use then good for you. Just be careful as Benzos and barbiturates are from my experience a mental problem weaning off off-is a b****--slow PIA-worst junk worse than all other drugs i have become addicted to. Even worse than cigs and coffee-

Not a hypocrite--I do believe some people can use all types of medication just not me.

take care--Jeff

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Posted: August 12, 2012, 7:18 AM


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I did the Thomas Recipe two years ago minus the benzos and it really helped with the physical aspect of withdrawal. Of course I really suffered with the insomnia and restless legs and to this day still wrestle with the insomnia. I guess it all depends on the person - whether taking the Benzo is a good idea or not. I was so totally obsessed and addicted to opiates that I would go to any means to get them, but had a bottle of Zanex in my medicine cabinet (still do to this day) and never touch the stuff. I am glad though and feel extermely Blessed that I did not have to go the route of replacing one addiction for another. The Thomas Recipe at least made me feel that I was doing SOMETHING to ease my pain at the time.

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Posted: August 12, 2012, 9:31 AM


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I'm in such pani this morning from a pinched nerve,I'm lathered in Icy Hot and have taken 4 advil.Is it working?..............f*** no.

I akways have to go back to what my ex sonsor said."keep your eyes on the prize"
This is not permanent but if I popped a Xanax or Percocette,I just lost the race,

Keep out of judgement too.There are some clean addicts that at one time may have needed an opiate.I like Lisa' story and her experience.She went through all the necessary steps to stay clean and had a family that monitored her.

If you are living alone,you give the pills to someone you can't manipulate

I think down deep in our souls,the answer will present itself.

This post has been edited by Tim L on August 12, 2012, 9:35 AM
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Posted: August 12, 2012, 9:37 AM


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Why do have the bottle of Xanax and I'm not being critical?
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Posted: August 12, 2012, 10:08 AM


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Tim L

Well I was prescribed it for anxiety years ago when I had a family crisis - but good question Tim - think I will go right now and toss them. Yeah - why hold on to them!
Thanks
Kitty

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Posted: August 12, 2012, 11:27 AM


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We are not doctors on here so telling someone to toss a medication is not always good advise.If you haven't taken them for months or years,grt rid of them but be sure and talk tp you doctor.
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Posted: August 12, 2012, 1:37 PM


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Tim, don't massage that pinched nerve; go to the Dr. if necessary. My husband with his strong hands massaged it (in my neck when I had that) and now besides the damaged right hand my left has no feeling in the first three fingers. Keep doing hot? cold? compresses.

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Posted: August 12, 2012, 2:03 PM


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Kitty Benzos are a b**** mentally--its your choice. But xanax is as per a few god docs over my time anyway prefer as directed a longer med like klonopin--There all quite dangerous but only you and your doctor should deal with why you need a pill for anxiety. ?? JMO -and you can wean of them slowly--but again nobody here on this forum knows your medical history--You and your doctor--

Be careful --

Jeff

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Posted: August 12, 2012, 2:38 PM


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I hear benzos are the worst withdrawal, and Xanax-kind of the same thing. If you can stick to a prescription your Dr. gives you, it will probably be fine. I just ended up taking more of everything.
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Posted: August 12, 2012, 8:45 PM


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Sorry for the misunderstanding - I was just saying they were in my medicine cabinet and that I never had taken them....Tim L asked me why I still had them and it sparked the idea that I should toss them out. When I went through detox for vic's and used the Thomas Recipe, I left the xanex out of the recipe on purpose. Never had any desire for them and why keep them - that is all I was sayin.

I take zoloft now and have no need for anything more...in a good place right now.

Thank the Lord for that!

Have a great evening everyone

Kitty

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Posted: August 12, 2012, 10:51 PM


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LOL@Kitty. Things do get lost sometimes in the post. Glad you are in a good spot. You have a great day too.
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Posted: August 13, 2012, 11:22 AM


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I knew what you meant Kitty...

Yea, get rid of them. You haven't taken them for over a year, why keep them? They are expiried by now anyway. Don't leave them in your medicine cabinet where some poor addict who comes to your house, can find them. Yes, we go through medicine cabinets. I don't anymore, but if you had a bathroom in your house, I had to go, immediately.

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