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Just Finished Accelerated Detox Thursday
Posted: April 16, 2005, 11:58 AM


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I just completed my accelerated detox thursday and I feel alot better but, I very slow and weak. They say that it's to be suspected.
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Posted: April 16, 2005, 12:52 PM


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hello well done but what is an accelerated detox? im in the uk and never heard of it maybe you are too and im just stup[id x x x

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Posted: April 16, 2005, 12:59 PM


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Cozza...you're not stupid! Geeze, girl, get some self esteem, will ya?! lol

Kirk... congrats on your effort to get clean. I bet that was expensive. Did your insurance cover it?

Rapid detox is where they put you to sleep and overdose your body on narcotics, right? I know there's more to the process but I can't remember. Anyone else? Kirk, maybe you could explain it.

CG

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Posted: April 16, 2005, 1:11 PM


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Kirk,

Please keep us up to date on your progress, and was Cowgirl right when she asked if thats where they put you under and rid all the toxins in your body?

I have heard of such a thing and almost did it myself a few years back, but it was way too pricey for me. I opted for a medically supervised detox, where I was basicly knocked out for 5 days as to not experience the physical pain of withdrawl. Thing is though, I had no plan for after the long sleep, and turned out this guy was a quack, another nightmare story there, but anyway there went $1000, yep thats right folks a 1000 bucks for me to go to sleep, with no plan for the future.

Do you have a plan for what now?

glad to see you are feeling better.

all the best,

Redd

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Posted: April 16, 2005, 2:18 PM


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I called about rapid detox and they did say that it works for all opiates , including Suboxone . Prices seemed to range from $5900.00 to $10000.00 . As I understand it , the procedure should be done in a hospital where they are more capable of dealing with complications . I have heard of some bad stories from the 5 hour out patient clinics , which of course are the cheapest .In the upper left hand corner of the page on pain pills , there is a link that will let you read about it .
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Posted: April 16, 2005, 2:55 PM


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everyone -bare with me- I'm still alittle weak from going 0-60 and back down again. If you need any info. on the place, it's called The Coleman Institute. Dr. Coleman is from England and (years ago) an addict himself.. The process takes 3 days. 1st two are easy. You're heavily sedated but, you don't stay in a hospital. You stay at a nearby hotel. And you MUST have a great support person wiith you to take care or you outside the facility. And for trasnsportation.
The 3rd day is the worst. 1st you're heavily sedated with 5/10mg valium and then they begin slowly forcing every last opiate out of your system. It takes approximately from 9am-5pm. They then insert a naltrexone pellet into your abdomin and this last anywhere from 6-10 weeks. Meaning, that it stops any urge or craving for whatever you crave and if I did take any pills, it woul be like taking an M&M . No effect. The price for this is $3,575.00. Worth every penny when you see that I was spending about $30,000.00 a year on pain pills.
Try telling you daughter there's no money for college because daddy spent it on his addition
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Posted: April 16, 2005, 5:30 PM


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Wow, Kirk, you're amazing. I hope that you feel better in the next few days.... and you're right, spending the 3 thousand in comparision to the 30 thousand, no brainer.

It takes what it takes.... what are you doing for backup? What kind of support have you set up for when the naltrexone wears off?

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Cowgirl

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Posted: April 16, 2005, 6:34 PM


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Just curious, how do they force every opiate out of ur system & how do they stop the wd's.

I think the standard wd, or one of the standard wds, is where they use something like clonidine. It seems like all they are doing is putting u to sleep for a few days, but they are doing somethin different, they medicate you with something like clonidine, a bp medicine that fools the opiate receptors & lightens wds & knocks you out at the same time.

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Posted: April 16, 2005, 7:15 PM


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Thanks for responding back and your interests. Yes- they do keep you pretty high the first two days but, that's so you never once feel the withdrawls. And I truely mean you don't feel a thing. You sleep constantly.

When the implant wears off, I have an appt. on 6/2 to get another one.
The opiates are flushed out of your system through an intervenus. That day is probably the hardest day. Your out of it but, your not sleeping and you feel very confused and frustrated. I tried to rip off all the wires about 10 times. Then I realized ,this was the worst, life is only going to be better later. Besides- I was paying for it!
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Posted: April 16, 2005, 7:30 PM


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I don't get the point of it. After about three days you're mostly out of w/d anyway.Is it any different than flushing your system out at home with plenty of liquids? Seems expensive for something no more comfortable than doing it yourself. Just curious, love, Kat

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Posted: April 16, 2005, 7:37 PM


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Cat257 - Hey there not flushing you with gatorade or Hi-C orange drink. There's about 3 different medications and it takes 10 hours
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Posted: April 16, 2005, 7:46 PM


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welcome to the forum kirk -

is this the coleman institute you are referring too?

namaste

sammy
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Posted: April 16, 2005, 7:47 PM


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oooooops!

i forgot the link -

is this it?

http://www.thecolemaninstitute.com/

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Posted: April 16, 2005, 7:58 PM


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yes it is the coleman institute in Va.
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Posted: April 16, 2005, 8:01 PM


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you are one lucky dog, kirk!

i live in richmond, virginia - know about this place.

read on to one patient's experience with the coleman institute.

whew!

i'm so grateful you are with us.

namaste'

sammy

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UROD HELL
by Sandra (name changed to protect privacy)
September 30, 1999

The wonderful angel of mercy that runs this website has asked me write the story of my experiences with UROD. I am writing this five days after I had the UROD procedure. Last Monday I flew to Richmond, VA to have the so-called 'miracle treatment', Ultra Rapid Opiate Detox. After I woke up from the procedure, the pain and withdrawal symptoms were so bad I prayed I would die. Even now, five days later, I have NEVER felt so bad from any detox or withdrawal from any type of opiate.

Since I've had the procedure, I have read many stories on this and other websites. I, more than anyone, know the prejudices surrounding drug addiction. I am 36 years old, the mother of a seven and five year old and most importantly, I have been a Registered Nurse for sixteen years. I am also a Lactation Specialist and have more specialty degrees behind my name than the alphabet has letters. I took classes and obtained most of these credentials while on methadone. As a matter of fact, I was sent to Washington, D.C., chosen over 4000 other applicants, to create test questions for nurses preparing for special certification in OB/GYN care,

I originally got hooked on opiates after two pretty bad car accidents. During my recovery, I was given many pain killers. When I was recovered from the accidents, I went back to work with a box full of narcotics, which I needed just to feel good enough to take care of my patients. When my physician stopped writing prescriptions for me, I felt it necessary to medicate myself. Within a few months, I was prosecuted by my employer for theft of narcotics. I was made to go to an in-patient drug rehab for six weeks. I lost my apartment because I had to live in a half-way house for one year. I was also on probation with the Nursing Board for three years. I was required to give two UA's per week, attend five NA/AA meetings and have psychiatric counseling weekly. I wish I could say NA/AA helps, but, it really is just some sort of substitution, in my opinion. One good thing that did result from this is that my, now seven year old son, was born drug free, but, now is diagnosed with ADHD. My employer did hire me back about a year after this incident.

In 1994 I became pregnant with my second child and had a horrible complication called Pre-eclampsia Toxemia. My blood pressure went sky-high, and I had unbearable migraine headaches. In the six weeks before her birth, my Dr. had given me several hundred Percocet. Even though I had taken prescribed narcotics during my pregnancy, my daughter was not tested for drugs.

After her birth, I went back to work. I had easy access to opiates, and my addiction worsened. I was very fearful of losing my job. I knew if I were suspected of using drugs, or taking narcotics from my place of employment, it would be the end of my career. This is when I decided to try methadone maintenance.

Methadone was a God send to me. I could inject my patients with the fully prescribed 100 mgs. of Demerol, and not be tempted to take any for myself. It was a miracle. I could work around opiates all day, and not want to use. The methadone completely curbed any narcotic craving.

A little over a year ago, the miracle came to an end. I had changed jobs, and was no longer around narcotics. I thought I would try to decrease my dose by 1 mg. a week. Two weeks after I started my detox, I began to get terribly ill, and felt extremely fatigued all the time. After a check-up with my Dr., I found out I have chronic active Hepatitis C. I can't count the number of times I have had needle sticks or wiped up body fluids, but, every Dr. I see says, "You got this from IV drugs, didn't you?". But, even worse than that, my Dr. would not let me start the Interferon treatment which I need so badly to treat my Hep C, until I detoxed from methadone. I was told it is a contraindication. So, I continued going down 1 mg. in my dose weekly until I got to 32 mg. I was having withdrawal symptoms. That, combined with Hep C symptoms made me almost unable to work. I felt I was going to lose my job as I started to miss work, fall asleep at work and could not perform the duties expected of me.

I am married to a bum of a husband who hasn't worked in eight years. But, as sick as I am, even a bum is nice to have around to help with the house and the kids. If I didn't continue to work, my kids didn't eat, we might have lost our home, cars, etc. I begged my Dr. to put me on short term disability because I had become too ill to work. He hemmed and hawed around for two months, and then told me I had to have a psychiatric evaluation. After the evaluation, the Dr. told me I had to detox from methadone for him to continue to treat me. The psychiatrist approved disability for four weeks only with the stipulation that I detox from methadone. He also required me to take Lithium every day. My diagnosis for the disability was Manic-Depression. I am no more manic depressive than the Man in the Moon...but, many Drs. think people with addictions have some type of dual diagnosis.

Since the UROD procedure, I have found out that the side effects of the Interferon may be tolerated better if I were on methadone. I have also learned that methadone is NOT contraindicated with the Interferon treatment. If the side effects of the Interferon treatment are as horrible as UROD, I have a fear that I will end up just another dead junkie.

It has now been five days since the UROD, and I still sometimes think a gun may have been a better option. Dr. Coleman in Richmond, VA did the UROD procedure. The day before the procedure, I had a mini-physical, blood work, gave a UA and an EKG. This was done at a very small 80 bed community hospital. The day of the procedure, I was taken to a pre-op area, where I was put in a gown, and they put a diaper on me, and I was stuck by needles numerous times for IV's. After that, I was pumped full of Valium-like drug, and I didn't remember anything until I awoke six hours later. When I woke up, I was in Hell. My legs, feet, butt, and back of my arms felt as if they were on fire. It was like lying on a bed of hot coals. They injected me with Benadryl and Catapress. My blood pressure skyrocketed and my temperature was 105 degrees. My mother was required to stay with me in the hospital as my support person. She told me I had convulsions and was delirious for 36 hours, and then slept for the next 36 hours. The procedure costs $3,100. I had to spend additional time in the hospital, so that cost will be added onto the bill. There was expense for car rental, hotel for my parents, and airfare.

As an RN, I would NEVER recommend anyone have this procedure. If you must detox from methadone, do it very slowly. No one should have to endure the pain of UROD. To wake up with all of one's pain receptors blocked, and not be able to take any meds that will help, is a nightmare. I would not wish this procedure on my worst enemy. May God walk with you and I know for a fact God loves and cares about us just as he does the "non-addict".

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Posted: April 16, 2005, 8:03 PM


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oh - let me clarify,

it wasn't this website, the addiction/recovery board. where someone asked this person to write their story. it was another recovery site.

hugs -

sammy
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Posted: April 17, 2005, 12:04 AM


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I don't know how long ago she got her UROD but, Dr. Coleman doesn't do those anymore because he feels the patient suffers and 1/500 people die. NOT a good statistic. It sounds like she was living in hell.
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Posted: April 17, 2005, 1:57 AM


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oh okay, thanks Kirk. I didnt quite get it. That makes more sense. Love, Kat

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Posted: April 17, 2005, 2:02 AM


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kat, sorry if i seemed harsh with my answer but I didn't mean to be like that. If you have any other questions or just want to chat, I'm here.
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Posted: April 17, 2005, 4:30 AM


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Just curious, how do they force every opiate out of ur system & how do they stop the wd's.

That is what I was thinking...
I thought they gave you naltrexone while the opiates are still in the receptors; therefore kicking them off..
but, you still have to "heal" afterwards, so you still feel like hell for a while, right?
That is one procedure I don't want to try, and God willing, I don't have to..
Kerry

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