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Posted: September 23, 2011, 3:45 PM
Hi
I have lived with drugs all of my life. My mum died through drug addiction and many of her friends. I brought my two sisters up and one of them is indeed heavily addicted. I have just one question to ask... My sister has been on a methadone program for a number of years, keeps relapsing but always goes to skin and bone. She is now terrifying and using my nana for money for her drugs but what I don't understand is she is still a very big girl. As far as I am aware she is still on her methadone and eats junk but what could she be taking to keep her big? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Take care everyone. | ||
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Posted: September 23, 2011, 9:03 PM
I have been on methadone for many years and if I eat a huge bowl of ice cream with choc syrup on it every night before I go to bed, I WILL put on weight. I did. I am close to 40 lbs over what I usually am and I contribute that to bad eating habits, and lack of proper exercise, NOT methadone.
For the first 14 years of being clean, I had a hectic lifestyle, 50 plus hours a week at my job, a 70 mile roundtrip commute, along with helping my youngest son and wife raise their twins while living in my house. It was absolute, fun, craziness. When I retired 3 years ago, a major part of that craziness disappeared and i had too much time on my hands and not enough to do after being in the "work force" for the past 35 plus years.So.. guess what?? I put on weight.like almost 40lbs. On a 5' 8" frame with it being everywhere it wasn't meant to be,it was scary and looked bad too. But the methadone didn't cause it so much as I did. Your sister sounds like she isnt doing crack,cocaine,speed or the like or she would be a bag of bones I'd think. It sounds like it's more of lack of exercise and a bad choice of diet, but that is only my opinion. I'm sure there are patients out there whose metabolism is such that they may gain weight while taking methadone, but with getting clean comes some responsibility of changing old habits,among others eating better, so if your sister isn't eating as well as she could be and not exercising she could very well gain unwanted weight. I can't speak for anyone else but I sure would take on a few exrta pounds if it kept me from going anywhere near being the addicted person I was before I found help at my friendly neighborhood clinic. Don't be too hard on your sister, if she has taken the step to end her addiction, give her support and love. On the other hand if she has stopped one addiction and is headed for another in place of that,like food, let the alarm bells ring. Ask her about it. good luck to you' granny2 3 -------------------- I NEVER KNEW HOW MUCH LOVE MY HEART COULD HOLD UNTIL SOMEONE CALLED ME GRANDMA. STOP AND LISTEN TO THE BIRDS SINGING IN THE TREES. WHEN THE BIRDS ARE SINGING EVERYTHING IN LIFE IS OK.[FONT=Courier][FONT=Arial] | ||
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Posted: September 23, 2011, 10:58 PM
It could make you gain weight -
-but to put all the blame on Methadones side effects isnt fair- - When I was shootin dope- I was about 20 lbs under weight- oN mdone for over 20 yrs- 20 lbs overweight However, I like sweets- I dont exercise as much as I should, I dont drink as much water as I should, my diet could use more fruits , veggies and fiber- in my mid 50,s my metabolism is slower now than yrs ago- -there is a lot of correctable behavior that needs to be done to lose weight - (lots of medicine has the side effect of weight gain)- Also the cherry syrupy mdone is sweet and with a decent glucose count If you do the things that I and many others dont do that I mentioned above , it might help you drop some lbs- -all in all , as in most health issues- behavior changes need to be made . Same with your teeth- dont believe the myth that mdone rots your teeth out- We,re you goin to a dentist for 2 cleanings a yr while you were using?- Did you watch your dental hygiene?- Yes opiates could make you crave sugar- -but again your behavior before and after your methadone days probably werent conducive to a healthy lifestyle- Do what you can- -little by little->>> like Granny mentioned better a few lbs and a normal life -than a heroin habit best regards jack I stole this from bikeman-(pain pill board)- good dude and he gives excellent words of wisdom here>>> Steady diet of protein and vegetables/fruits. easy on too many acidic fruits as they can upset your stomach. lean meats like fish and chicken. also you can eat small meals 6+ times a day but if all fried and high in calories you will gain not lose weight. it's better to watch HOW you prepare your food and WHAT you eat. the main way to lose weight is to exercise....period. it's the one way you can watch calories burn straight off. Aerobic exercise will burn calories and drop your weight, but definitely check with your Dr. to see how much you can do. buy a heart rate monitor to check your hrt rate and caloric burn when exercising. Dieting alone is very difficult when you reach middle age. Our metabolism is not as fast and in high gear like it was when we were younger....so get out and start walking, swimming, running, biking...all the above. Exercise will also improve balance, stamina, heart health and mental health....plus you will sleep like a dead rock This post has been edited by jackofhartzz on September 24, 2011, 5:19 AM -------------------- "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over." — Hunter S. Thompson[COLOR=blue] | ||
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Posted: September 25, 2011, 10:18 AM
Hi JodyA...everything everyone already said is right....the only thing I can think of to add is that she could be smoking some weed or hash...getting those munchies....no other drug that I can think of would make her gain weight....methadone does put on some pounds because it gives you a serius sweet tooth...makes you want to eat sugary stuff...but if you exercise and watch tht you dont eat so much of it...then you eventually level off...it sounds like what everyone else said...she is just eating too much fattening stuff and not exercising enough....for me personally , the methadone seems to retain water weight too...but if I pay attention and go walking and bike riding and try not to sit around so much...its not too bad....cant think of anything else....hope that helps a bit
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Posted: September 29, 2011, 6:15 AM
Hi
Methadone has the opposite effect on my son. He has no appetite and complaining mostly about the "unable to perform" if you know what I mean. He is only 22 and it is frustrating him. That is the only side effects he has from methadone. Crazy P | ||
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Posted: October 8, 2011, 7:22 PM
talk to me , I was medical director of methadone maintenance clinic.
I know all about methadone. -------------------- Blessings, Dr. Irab retired psychiatrist freebaser of cocaine for 2 years +alcohol addict/alcoholic c/s 12 yrs thru 12 step. Former Medical Director: Methadone Maintenance Clinic. | ||
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Posted: October 8, 2011, 8:34 PM
From: Dr. George Irab <dr.george.irab@gmail.com> Subject: OVERDUE PAYMENT YSIQVUGCRW Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA INTERNATIONAL TRANSFER. LEICESTER CURRENCY CHEQUE/DRAFT DEPARTMENT TELEGRAM: CBNFOREX I got this in my e-mail- Your not THE Dr.Irab,are you?? -------------------- "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over." — Hunter S. Thompson[COLOR=blue] | ||
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Posted: October 9, 2011, 4:44 AM
Oh for crying out loud...Doc if your a spammer...jeez...im too trusting...Jack...I should listen to you more often !...IM always getting scammed...thats just crap ...good call Jack
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Posted: October 9, 2011, 6:42 AM
Hi Con- -
Maybe the guy is legit- but- he seems to have no clue, he can barely put together a sentence using correct grammar, and who comes on this site beating the drum that they are a medical professional who ran or owned a mdone clinic-so ask me anything I know it all? His sig. reads like a resume, and just for laffs- -he is one arrogant basta*d- - If he is a doctor- Hell, this is the internet,he could be a 18 yr old kid ,playing on a computer in his parents basement- in between porn sessions- I was never and have never been, so nasty and cynical in 6 yrs on this site- but when I asked him to share a little about himself- -he called me a smartazz, and told me he didnt have to share a thing until he wanted too.- - Well, thats all fine- -but dont start expecting anyone to take your "advise" seriously. Its been a long time ,if ever that I got into a site-fight strange huh? jack This post has been edited by jackofhartzz on October 9, 2011, 6:44 AM -------------------- "The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over." — Hunter S. Thompson[COLOR=blue] | ||
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Posted: October 9, 2011, 10:23 AM
God Jack...ya...I was seriously wondering at first like...whoa Jack...why so pissed off...and then I kept reading...really...its a miracle I survived as long as I did out there without serious injury...you were totally right i think....Thanks for being our watch dog !!!!
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Posted: October 9, 2011, 11:34 AM
HA HA HA HA
I am the real deal Drirab - no spammer to be sure !! - ha ha Now I am aware of the resentment in theses groups towards professionals - BUT REMEMBER I AM ONE OF YOU ! I hung out for 2 years with the worst hardcore addicts, freebasing cocaine, staying in crack houses, finally getting a connection for the real deal powder and cooking it myself. I lost everything ! family, car, house all my money, etc etc etc I am in recovery and c/s 12yrs . Thru 12 step ! I became an addict at age 56 ! Long before I became an addict myself, I treated addicts, for 25 years , I was medical director of methadone maintenance clinic, we also detoxed people - but kept some on long term maintenance. Most of the addicts were using tar mexican heroin or china white. + crack + alcohol + codeine Now 4 points: 1. Methadone can cause weight gain and as you know is MORE ADDICTING than heroin. 2. I used HEAVY CONFRONTATION of the addicts, their manipulative lying and conning for me to prescribe codeine, bezo drugs etc etc etc ! Their Major denial etc ! BUT - I was also KIND - I detoxed them VERY VERY SLOWLY. Like down 2mg /week. They could hardly feel the change. UNLIKE other clinics with rapid detox - which many addicts could not tolerate, and hit the street again ! This VERY SLOW DETOX over many many months - worked well for quite a few, if they really wanted to get clean !! I knew of 1 program suddenly shut down by the county - left 60 addicts hung out - HOW CRUEL of those b****** political bureaucrats !!!! 3. We kept some of the real hard core, not honest, not ammendable to 12 step, on maintenance - some of them on doses of up to 120-130mg/day Of course they were "ZONED OUT" for the day ! But it KEPT them from hitting the street for heroin, stealing and robbing etc. 4. I would encourage folks who really want spiritual recovery and to get and stay clean, to get off the methadone, but you need a very cooperating Dr who takes you down VERY SLOW. I am not impressed with rapid detox methods and never used them , years ago.Especially the ones where they put you to sleep. They can be dangerous. Just getting clean, without the desire and WORK to stay clean is pretty useless. My Blessings to all. This post has been edited by irab on October 9, 2011, 12:37 PM -------------------- Blessings, Dr. Irab retired psychiatrist freebaser of cocaine for 2 years +alcohol addict/alcoholic c/s 12 yrs thru 12 step. Former Medical Director: Methadone Maintenance Clinic. | ||
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Posted: October 11, 2011, 1:56 AM
Doc....You obviously have had absolutely no experience whatsoever with methadone...or your ignorance is so outrageous I can only thank God your retired and cant do any more damage out there..I wish you would find a different website to spread your ignorance on...this one doesn't need any more of your nonsense...
You said: 1. Methadone can cause weight gain and as you know is MORE ADDICTING than heroin. Give it up Doc...get some exercise and eat right....and if you take your methadone without abusing it you'll be just fine...whether its more addicting...I doubt it...much prefer Heroin to begin with...getting off the methadone isn't about how addicting it is...its about debating with yourself whether you want your behaviors and cravings to return... 2. I used HEAVY CONFRONTATION of the addicts, their manipulative lying and conning for me to prescribe codeine, bezo drugs etc etc etc ! Their Major denial etc ! BUT - I was also KIND - I detoxed them VERY VERY SLOWLY. Like down 2mg /week. They could hardly feel the change. UNLIKE other clinics with rapid detox - which many addicts could not tolerate, and hit the street again ! This VERY SLOW DETOX over many many months - worked well for quite a few, if they really wanted to get clean !! I knew of 1 program suddenly shut down by the county - left 60 addicts hung out - HOW CRUEL of those b****** political bureaucrats !!!! Its doctors like you that should never have a licence to begin with...heavy confrontation ?...oh, bet that helps...lying and conning you for codiene ?... perhaps if you had let them achieve a proper dose they may not have needed it.....can hardly feel the change huh ?...you sound like we are sub human and cant feel pain...are you talking from experience ?...because let me tell you...I can feel a difference in a .1ml change of my dose....every time.. you make me furious...and just plain sick...I have a doctor pretty much who behaves like you...and his success rate is nil... 3. We kept some of the real hard core, not honest, not ammendable to 12 step, on maintenance - some of them on doses of up to 120-130mg/day Of course they were "ZONED OUT" for the day ! But it KEPT them from hitting the street for heroin, stealing and robbing et Your dose is unique to your tolerance level you idiot...120mgs isnt that high if your tolerance level was higher...and to keep people on doses that were too high for them so they would zone out because you personally felt they deserved it is unjust and inhumane... . 4. I would encourage folks who really want spiritual recovery and to get and stay clean, to get off the methadone, but you need a very cooperating Dr who takes you down VERY SLOW.[/I] I've been taken down on my dose slow...and you know what ?...its hell...regardless of how slow you go..withdrawal is distressful, painful and a whole host of other physical and mental experiences...and my brain reverts right back to addict as soon as the dose is too low...no 12 step program in the world will correct the brain function or keep me clean like methadone has done...nor will it help me get off the methadone either...you are a fool ...you need to go back to school and learn something...if your a real doctor in a methadone clinic , then your whats wrong with half the clinics out there...I have SO HAD enough of hearing your drivel....I have just experienced 2 tapers and don't need your nonsense about it...I also have to deal with a silly ignorant unschooled country doctor like yourself on a regular basis out here and wish to God the board would take you and those like you out of the profession for good... Con This post has been edited by constantine on October 11, 2011, 2:04 AM | ||
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Posted: October 11, 2011, 8:54 AM
All I can say to you hostile, ignorant ones, is that you are still in major denial and lack acceptance. I have seen many many methadone addicts very very very slowly detoxed and DID GREAT !!!! ( coming down off 70mg/day !!!!!)
YOU who are still full of resentment and hostility , are either "dry drunk" or still using ! You don't sound like you are in recovery at all. You are still in great pain over your addiction. I feel sad that you find it necessary to BASH me, cause I am here to help people and thats all. Many addicts highly resent doctors, cause they never really helped them out. Read BB Pg 449 3rd edition. -------------------- Blessings, Dr. Irab retired psychiatrist freebaser of cocaine for 2 years +alcohol addict/alcoholic c/s 12 yrs thru 12 step. Former Medical Director: Methadone Maintenance Clinic. | ||
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Posted: October 11, 2011, 9:54 AM
i have been on methadone for almost a year. i am still in pain and im at 150 ml. i wakeup at 6 in pain and have to wait till 8 to get my drink on my pickup days. i am very angrey at methadone but it has helped me quit my addiction. i could take 200mh of morphine in the morning and it would last me all day but methadone doesnt last 24 hours for me and its really frustratimg. i threw up my drink the other day and i ended up using for the first time in months i was in more pain and agony then i think i was ever in during pills. after that experience of WD i'm thinking of going down but im not even on a stable dose yet and im already in pain so if i go down im afraid ill use again. i dont know what to do everytime i go up im okay for a week and then i withdrawl early morning i wish the doctor would have told me that this could happen. all they told me was once id go on methadone i wouldnt be in pain anymore once i got on a stable dose which should take a month or two. its been a year and im still in pain i wish i just detoxed off the pills cause now im addicted to something alot harder to stop. i do appreciate methadone it might have saved my life i dont know if i would still be here if i hadnt gone on methadone and at least i dont have to pay for it unlike my other addiction i could spend endless amounts of money and never have enough. i believe they should warn people a bit better let them know that methadone doesnt work for everyone it wont stay in my system for 24 hours and idont want to keep going up but i have to if i dont want to be in pain and use.
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Posted: October 11, 2011, 9:56 AM
i would really like to speak to the retired doctor. message me back
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Posted: October 11, 2011, 11:15 AM
I'm sorry, but seriously? You don't write at all like an educated dr, much less professional. I know what kind of education drs have to go through in order to get thier license and they don't write or talk like you do....could be that you are not an American by birth and therefor your english language skills are lacking but, tell you what honey, I've been to ALOT of doctors in my 26 year history of drug use, and none of them sounded like you.
Lets say for s***s and giggles that you are a dr...what are you doing here? Are you here to advise or to sell your business? Just because we're addicts, most of us in recovery for some time now, doesn't mean we're stupid. My bulls*** meter is pegged. -------------------- I used Drugs to forget, I got clean to remember. | ||
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Posted: October 11, 2011, 11:20 AM
If it does not apply let it fly-Dr? If your for real-which to be honest just honesty could care less you were a doctor in a methadone clinic. Been here since 2005 some real smart addicts maybe you keep the sock in the mouth and just listen/read you want to help people great share your experience on the cocaine threads as you did write your a cocaine/crack addict--Not here where you say you were high as a kite as a doctor in a methadone clinic.
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Posted: October 11, 2011, 11:29 AM
I agree Jeffie, she should have her own doctor but what better way to get advice, then from people who are using methadone just like her?
Remember..that's the true spirit of these boards. It's ok to ask questions. How are you today? Big hugs. -------------------- I used Drugs to forget, I got clean to remember. | ||
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Posted: October 11, 2011, 11:35 AM
Clarification is needed:
I was on faculty of 2 medical schools and taught other psychiatrists. I didn't become an addict till age 56 long after working at the methadone clinic I was not an addict during the time I worked at the methadone clinic. If I don't sound like other docs - its because I SPEAK PLAIN - and try TO KEEP IT SIMPLE I worked at a county clinic where we had the hardest of the "hard core" I am for real and no fake or phony. I had a major nervous breakdown 1993 - then - later started using out of my severe depression. I also suffer from Bipolar disorder and see a psychiatrist. I understand your distrust - many have been badly let down by doctors who did not help them. -------------------- Blessings, Dr. Irab retired psychiatrist freebaser of cocaine for 2 years +alcohol addict/alcoholic c/s 12 yrs thru 12 step. Former Medical Director: Methadone Maintenance Clinic. | ||
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Posted: October 11, 2011, 11:38 AM
OF COURSE - the sharing of people who are using and have used methadone is invaluable. I never used it only prescribed it.- in a very wide range of doses. We had people on long term maintenance, and people detoxing.
I am c/s 12 yrs now from alcohol/ free-basing cocaine thru 12 step. Am glad to offer help to anyone I can. I feel most at ease when I am helping people. I was a very dedicated DR! -------------------- Blessings, Dr. Irab retired psychiatrist freebaser of cocaine for 2 years +alcohol addict/alcoholic c/s 12 yrs thru 12 step. Former Medical Director: Methadone Maintenance Clinic. | ||
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